just remember they are we scum out on top in the end, so uncle willy who is having this-- she believes uncle willys responsible and she thinks that book will do really well because uncle willy is looking out for me. i love that. i hope she's right. [laughter] >> your books are about connecting with people and connecting the past in the presence and this is your advice for young reporters, get away from your damn smart phones and computers. go back to the basics, papers, scissors and real people. be the glue as a great reporter mary bishop once told you connecting stranger to stranger pour only for an instance. can you elaborate on how this has been your mo? >> well, i mean, documents can only take you so far. memoirs written, i mean, that was a great find when i found the guy bragging about buying this. paperwork and take you so far, but there is no substitute for going and meeting people and hearing their stories i mean the best parts of the book, i think, are these a greedy kind of micro- aggressions that these men and women lived with during jim crow, like the little girls were walking to schoo