willingham was innocent. even if they prove there was no arsine and for those of us that have been paying attention to this issue and this case, they have long since already proved there was no arson but even if they prove there was no arson in this sense of having a judge state so, they are still going to be people, some of them who worked on the street in the state capital who will insist willingham was guilty because it is not a dna case and began have case after case of people who are innocent but there isn't dna to show they are innocent so there's an opportunity for somebody to say i don't really believe he's innocent. i think he did it and that is what is we to happen in the willingham case. so i wrote an editorial are giving all of this attention really is a distraction because the issue that we ought to be paying attention to is a version of the issue tom was talking about ought with isn't precisely the same, the issue we ought to be paying attention to is who are the people we execute in the u.s.? i

from the available evidence, cases like the cameron todd willingham arson case where there's allegationsf a wrongful execution, as well, it does seem like there are problems in the process, certainly when you get to the governor's office. >> and certainly when you consider that these are not exactly appealable, life and death decisions here. dave mann from "the texas observer" senior editor at "the texas observer," thank you for pursuing this, i'm sure what was difficult and expensive journalism and thanks for taking time to join us tonight. >> my pleasure. >>> it should be noted that since claude jones was killed, he was the last man killed, the last prisoner killed when george w. bush was governor, since then, the state of texas has executed 225 more of its prisoners. all right. still to come on the show, debunction junction. one involves cheating, fighting and something very vaguely related to the dallas cowboys. it's make texas mad at us tonight on the "the rachel maddow show." please stay with us. duty in iraq. when i was transitioning from active duty, i went to a military officer