or i'll tell you the story about will -- willkie james. he went to florida to start a plantation where he would pay black laborers and create a kind of new brook farm that didn't really work out because of great backlash against the free black in the south. and so i wanted to tell these kinds of stories also partly because i believe that history is embodied and is up embodied -- is often embodied in people at this particular time who are, as i said, confident, confrontational, eccentric, sometimes fanatic, often fanatic and who may or may not compromise -- that's one of the book's subtitles -- and who intent on redefining the american nation and also doing that i wanted to cleanse myself as much as possible of perceived wisdom. lots of things we do know about. but there are numbers of things that we think we know about, particularly me who always feels that she's been miseducated and in that case one such example would be the person thaddeus stephens who you may have met most recently in the spielberg "lincoln" movie where he was played by