willie horton would be used in the campaign. all of this is in the book. so i understand the argument about the direct line, my sense is if you are looking for philosophical or moral consistency, looking at the american presidency are those who seek it is probably not the first place to look. so you need to look at moments on the totality of the lives where they managed to transcend those shortcomings, that is my view. >> yes sir,. >> you're probably answered the question indirectly, i recently saw the play and statin, bloodied buddy andrew jackson, parody of jackson and i think of our current campaign about on bridled populism and manipulation of that populism. you see any parallels to that? >> with jackson and trump, i have resisted this for a couple of reasons, one is that jackson brought an enormous amount of experience, you can argue whether it was good experience or not but to the presidency had been a judge, senator, general, and so the idea that, fundamentally the choices being presented to us in the next 45 days or so is one between one of the most conventionally prepared candidates in american history and the least conventionally prepared. i interviewed