can we just quickly say what the windrush scandal is? necessarily do. i mean, this is these are the people who came here on the windrush. yeah. at the after the end of the to war help build britain up. yeah. as part of the commonwealth. they were then given citizenship and allowed to live and work here. >> exactly, exactly, exactly. and then and then unfortunately we ended up deporting some of them wrongly . them wrongly. >> more than that, they ruined lives. they ruined get jobs. they couldn't get medical. >> well, what's what's the law? you want changed then, nina? >> i don't want a law changed. >> i don't want a law changed. >> but you're saying the same laws are still in place. so what do we need to change? >> policies have not. have never been revoked. are they in? >> this is the thing, though, because, mark. look, i look at it now. we've only deported something like 3% of channel migrants in the last six years, so that doesn't seem particularly hostile. as far as i can gather. i just wonder whether this is a classic attempt of peop

of course, with the windrush scandal . but these the windrush scandal.ws that they're talking about are things if they existed were 75 years ago, they don't exist now. and what they're trying to say is if the immigration system is racist now, well , it's like is racist now, well, it's like they're trying to say it's about people of colour, but of course, well, who are they talking about? like here? like what proof do they have? number two. and also is it when things have been talked about, it's been talked about finding cultures who are have share a similar values or closer values. yeah. you know it's not racism . an you know it's not racism. an indian and a pakistani are the same ethnicity aren't they . so same ethnicity aren't they. so if there was any difference it would be cultural values then, which is not racism . if there which is not racism. if there was a difference that this article doesn't. >> yeah, but you're making too much sense. josh and sorry. >> no, you're not making sense. >> no, you're not making sense. >> you're telling me to move on

or is it, as david lemi suggested some years ago, to the descendents of the windrush generation, ie british before you come to the question of how much money is appropriate, sol the question of how much money is appropriate, so i think the government, british government is right not to go down this road, even to the extent of resisting calls for an apology. i know we're in an era these days where it's become the norm to apologise for things for which you are not responsible, but it seems to me to apologise for something that happened ten generations ago, 200 years ago, doesn't make much sense, and also it creates the sort of ratchet effect that this year and apology, and extra financial compensation or reparations.— financial compensation or rearations. . , reparations. what clive lewis was saying. _ reparations. what clive lewis was saying. you _ reparations. what clive lewis was saying, you say - reparations. what clive lewis was saying, you say 200 - reparations. what clive lewis| was saying, you say 200 years ago, but clive lewis was saying, his argument is, these countries that a been

because when we had the windrush scandal, we applied checks to people who were entitled to be here.ort of country that says, show me your papers. >> no, it is. it is a dichotomous situation because on the one hand, one wishes to retain ancient british rights and freedoms and liberties. but on the other hand, 1% of our population being here illegally, i think is a national security threat. as we consistently discuss in the question of immigration, that this is not merely people being here without leave. many of these people are here with ill intent towards the nation. and i think at times there is a very, very, very few times there is a case to be made that ancient liberties must be, at least for a moment, suspended. >> all right. so he's a dangerous radical on our ancient liberties, amy. it's important to defend our ancient liberties, but it's also worth noting it was in the papers recently that arrests of foreign nationals for crimes are much higher than arrests of british citizens , arrests of british citizens, people who hold british passports. that doesn't necessarily mean immig

if you don't mind me saying i disagree because the windrush generation was not a thousand years ago,me to this country to support our entire nation's infrastructure, to build houses, to help, you know , build houses, to help, you know, keep our national health and were productive, were productive . were productive, were productive. what i'm saying is, too many people come to this country now who are non—productive and actually cost us money, rather than contributing to the growth of the economy. and that's , you of the economy. and that's, you know, that is a vital crossroads on the on the graph. >> well, it depends what you're talking about in terms of people coming to this country and people not contributing to society. well, i've just read you the figures, so i understand if you don't mind, is if they came to this country, they take a job, they pay taxes. very good, their income very good. thatis good, their income very good. that is contributing to our society. of course it is productivity. and in terms of taxes, i think what actually the main issue is here and where the data tha

it's all started with windrush and that sort of era. we had to import people into this country .the economy would have failed without them in the post—war years. but what we never did was to say, now, how do we accommodate the cultures these people bring with them? and unfortunately, the pendulum has gone the other way. i think we've turned a blind eye to other cultures, establishing themselves in whichever way they want, which has extended to some small areas in this country ruled by sharia law . now, now, ruled by sharia law. now, now, now, you know that in my opinion , now, you know that in my opinion, is something that we should have clamped down upon and we haven't. >> we are running out of time very quickly. i just want to read this message out from grumpy brit. some cultures don't want to integrate. they don't like british people and our cultures and they come here for the social housing and the benefits. so i'm not sure about that. benefits. so i'm not sure about that . but benefits. so i'm not sure about that. but just benefits. so i'm not sure about that . but just quic

in 2018 and the windrush people were compensated . these are were compensated. these are people who suffered, who are still alive and so are their relatives and they were rightly compensated. that's where compensation should go, not for people who suffered 200 years ago. >> trev, final word to you. do you think this conversation is ever going to go away, or will it get battered down the road? but will continually come back out of the weeds? >> no, i don't think it's going to go away. i think that nigel has actually spelled out the common sense approach to this, and i wish that the labour party and i wish that the labour party and its mps would support that line. i don't think they're going to . going to. >> okay. thank you very much, trevor and nigel. superb stuff as ever. now , a new report as ever. now, a new report reveals the vast majority of people believe that children should be taught to be proud of british history. so should they welcome back to bbn tonight with me, martin daubney. now, a new report has revealed that chinese h

and it's not just from the windrush generation in 1948. and so our young people need to understand that they contributed or their ancestors have contributed, and it actually helps them to have a stronger sense of identity, not just on social media or peer pressure. they know where they're coming from. so that hopefully helps them to know where they're going. and i think it prevents this thing called self—loathing, because sometimes when you don't understand where you're coming from, my brother here is from africa. he will know his identity. there's a lot of people like myself from canbbean people like myself from caribbean extraction won't know their identity. and so they're lost and they can have that self—loathing, and they can and it can lead to all sorts of problems. so that's why it's really important. but as i said, it's not just the month . it it's not just the month. it should be all the year round. as i said, with voyage and other initiatives that have been doing similar work. okay, great. >> so both of you look, thank you very, v