it may look like a left wingery. there is a tendency to push every social experiment to its illogical conclusion. there is a certain citizen involvement in politics. a certain practice about the netherlands that i find attractive. >> -- a certain frankness about the netherlands that i find attractive. >> e.u. said it racism will be a terrible problem. -- you say that racism will be a terrible problem. and there several problems. go back to the population declined, how significant is it going to be? >> the european population decline is very significant. europeans are very uncomfortable talking about demographics. talk of demographic decline was really rife in the 1930's when racism was rife and eugenics was rife. they are uncomfortable approach in this topic. but it does provide -- is an indispensable, factual basis for what is going on in your now. -- in europe now. the average woman is going to have 2.1 children in the course of her lifetime to replace the population and to keep the population at the same size. if