host: winnie stachelberg? guest: federal hate crime laws are meant to apply to everyone equally, so whether you are in administration or a been made, they apply equally. the caller raises an interesting point. a crime violence does not pay to victims. you see perpetrators every level of our society. i have to disagree with my colleague and friend tim lynch on this point, it is not about federal law usurping state law, it is about working with the federal government to ensure there is proper investigation and prosecution. host: the caller also said if you are charged ave a crime is double the charge. -- charged with a hate crime, it is double the charge. guest: there is a double sentence that could go along with a crime laws, yes. host: -- guest: 1 log in new jersey -- one lot in new jersey was declared unconstitutional. they were initially prosecuted, and the jury said he was dick -- guilty for the on lawful discharge of a fire arm. when it came time for sentencing, the judge said he thought it was a hate crim

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. >> host: winnie stachelberg i want to get your thoughts and then we need to wrap of. >> guest: thosell examples that haven't happened, but i think with what we see your mother is pete crÈme law or many of the callers is that people are looking for ways not to divide the country based on race or religion or any other factor, and again, hate crime laws are not the way to solve all the problems, but they certainly help. they send a message and they are working and actually reducing hate crime violence in the country. >> host: winnie, tim, thank you for talking to the viewers about this. appreciate your time. >> guest: thank you pure >> guest: thank you. when they arrived there was nothing here. they built their tiny little cabins and they did it with neighbors helping one another, not federal grants. [applause] as candidates campaign for president this year, we look back at 14 men who ran for the office and lost. good to our website, c-span.org/the contenders to see videos who had a lasting impact on american politics. >> this is also the time to turn away from the occupation overseas t