finally, why don't you get winslow wheeler on. i would bring him on about two hours and have him run down things. he seems to be non-party guest: i don't see defense budget issues as partisan. i see this as what we are asking our military to do. our global responsibilities. there's no doubt the pentagon budget is huge. it ranges anywhere from $130 billion on up. in the peak of the iraq war, it's very expensive. . . host: philadelphia, pennsylvania, republican line. john, thanks for waiting. go ahead. caller: i totally agree with both of the last two callers. we cannot cut the troops shy of any money. but at the same time, the pentagon has just altogether too much money. the same departments throughout the governments are doing the same thing as the pentagon. why just are the departments doing the same job? does it make any sense? you've got the f.b.i., c.i.a., pentagon. everybody's doing the same job. and how many millions are going to waste? guest: that's a great point. that's something the secretary talked about in his press con