we greatly appreciate you joining us, winston. thank you very much.t. >> new demands from president obama to remove syrian president bashar assad. that tops our look at the news from around the nation. assad recently cracked down against pro-reform demonstrators sending in tanks into opposition hotbeds. u.s. officials also say it will be touch to impose sanctions against assad's regime, or they will as early as tomorrow. as many as 2,000 people reportedly have been killed as a result of the protests, and the two men accuses of beating a san francisco giants man are being arraigned in los angeles today. louis sanchez and marvin norwood face assault and battery charges. bryan stow is still in a coma after sustaining brain injuries during that attack on march 31st. >>> and a amazing story of survival from washington state. a 12-year-old boy is alive after being swept up by the pacific ocean during a trip, a youth trip. his friends prayed on the beach as rescuers searched for 20 minutes before they found him unconscious underwater. the boy shocked doctors

the finals of the winston-salem open. final tuneup for the u.s. open which starts monday.ive of nearby greensboro gets it together and takes it in three sets. nascar on deck. the night race in bristol, tennessee, we'll have that for you at 11:00. see you back then, and i guess we can go to a movie or something. >> alan: we'll watch the game later on. one last story. a lot of people filled the streets of oakland for a celebration of asian culture. a big crowd came out for the 24th annual oakland chinatown street festival. organizers say it's one of the largest asian-american festivals in the u.s. spans nine city blocks, features cultural demonstrations and performances, and 200 booths. the festival continues tomorrow from 10:00 toking5:30. thanks for joining us. nascar's countdown is next. and our next newscast tonight at 11:00 p.m. captioned by closed captioning services inc. ♪ ♪ free access to chase atm's wherever you are. that's a step forward. chase customers can avoid atm fees with over 16,000 nationwide.

john boehner and he's the president of the winston group. see you both today. >> karen, i can think of a lot of adjectives for mitt romney weird is not one that i would have come up with. >> i think that the whole flip-flopper moniker still stays with him. there was a story that we told that came out last cycle where there was a family vacation and the dog was strapped to the top of the car and the poor thing got diarrhea. that's pretty weird. that's about as weird as it goes. >> my producers have gone back and compiled a few sort of a video compilation of some awkward moments. here they are. and waiting. >> see if i can get my arms around everybody. muff closer. much closer. who's got your camera? who let the dogs out? >> i don't know. maybe they're awkward. but if the president is trying to paint you as weird and inauthentic does it show the white house considers him the one to beat? >> clearly they're focused on romney as the one to beat. you talk about your opponent when you have nothing to say about yourself. the american public wants s

as winston churchill once said, "courage is what it takes to stand up and speak. courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." swrat of a -- i can't think of a better way to sum of this last year and in particular these last few months right here in washington than that. the american people want to see accountability and cooperation in washington, and they want to see that they're working together to get our fiscal house in order. this legislation doesn't get us there, but for the first time in a very long time, i think we can say to the american people that we're finally facing in the right direction, and for that, we have them to thank. mr. reid: mr. president. the presiding officer: the majority leader, the senator from nevada. mr. reid: the eyes of washington and the world have been watching washington this past week very closely. while they witnessed a lot of political wrangling they also saw congress make some historic, important decisions. and averted a default on our debt that has been so concerning to all of us for such a long period of time. our

. >> this comes to us from wxii 12 in winston/salem, north carolina. one crew can say they did their job until the cows, or more accurately, the cow came home. it took the hard work team three hours to get a cow unstuck from a well 15 feet deep. no expense was spared as firefighters used ropes and pulleys to help the calf, the same tools used when a person is trapped. the lucky cow walked away with only a scratch. lucky. i'm veronica de la cruz. this is "early today" just the first stop today on your nbc station. >>> building a new railway station, designers in the netherlands drew their inspiration from the playground. they've incorporated a slide into their design, remodeling the once dreary train station, brightening up the commuters' routine. look at that. sure, an escalator probably would have done the same job, but the slide is cheaper, faster and, hey, a lot more fun, right? yeah. >>> in brazil they hold a very different kind of beauty pageant. it's a competition known as mr. elderly. 65 men signed up to show off their dance moves and awards wer

and david winston. first to you, mike. is this a field? >> i think it is. this is a perennial conversation we have at this point in a primary, democratic or republican. i do think there's a fair amount of anxiety right now in the republican party. i do think there's a lot of people, you hear it from karl rove, from others more in the mainstream of the republican party. there's anxiety about how far the party is moving to the right. how far it's tilt og the right. the tension is and david knows this well as one of the best pollsters many the country and a smart strategist. the primary electorate in the republican party is essentially angry on the to the right. the general election is going to be won among per saidable voters. what karl rove is anxious about and others in the party are anxious about, is how far the conversation in the primary is moving to the right that could be a problem in the general leather. >> do you david winston, what do you think about that and the rhetoric that we saw from rick perry at the launch? >> there's no question that the pol

. >> bob shrum and david winston.paign advisor to this campaign, is that what you would come up with? we never told you it was going to come quickly. >> look, i as you know have defended the president all along. i think he's done a very good job under very difficult circumstances but no, that's not the theme i would go to. look, if you look at what the markets are doing today, ron insana's exactly right, one of the ironies of this debt deal, we had to have it because a default would have really crashed the markets, is that the market is worried that we are cutting spending too soon and too fast. i think economically in terms of policy, that means the fed is the only thing we got left, because we don't have fiscal policy -- >> they don't have a whole lot of weapons left, if any. >> well, they can go to a q-3. but politically, that's the question you're asking, i think the president needs a message with an edge. he needs to go out there and cast this election in terms of who's standing up for the middle class, who's sta

winston churchill, because of the nature of his relationship with his father made him become difficult with the relationship with his son, frequently that's what happens, say with your relationship with your father, you, some might argue, would become much more present because henry fonda did not become present for you. >> some day. my daughter is a fantastic mother in spite ofmy weaknesses as a parent. >> she is a perfect example of what i'm say. >> yes. r second child is a daughter and she said i'm going to show that mothers and daughters can be really, really close, and she succeeded. it took me longer. but theessage is, it's never too late. you can make for it later. and i have actually studied what it means to be a parent. not knowing w to parent was a failure of mine, and i have learned from it. >> but it doeseem to me, to look at your life, i mean look at evolution. you can define it by relationships, you can die fine it by your own professional achievements; you're someone that learned from the experience. you couldn't be -- you can answer this better than i could answer this -

the but mark's book festival comes in winston-salem, north carolina, hosting several other events in the or writing workshops. starting september 15th. visiting authors include kurt andersen, paul berman, and walter mosley. the 15th annual baltimore books festival begins september september 23rd. please let us know about book fares and festivals in your area and he will happily add them to our list. e-mail us book tv at c-span.org. >> from the 2011 los angeles times festival books larry flynt and david eisenbach, authors of "one nation under sex: how the private lives of presidents, first ladies and their lovers changed the course of american history" to stress their book and check phone calls. >> how does this partnershipome come together?ther? and sure everyone wants another two of you collaborate. >> well, i wanted to find out the history, founding fathers. they have the same kind of sex scandals that they have today, the political landscape.ec hig once i decided that wanted to do the book. my friend david. so his at columbia. a lot of the subject matter and very bright.t as co-au

again, quo tote -- to quote winston churchill, it is a terrible system. it is just better than any other one. i met with the brazilian supreme court. they have just met with the united states supreme court less than a month ago to deal with their issues. in brazil, every matter that comes before the supreme court of brazil, they had 80,000 cases last year, 80,000, obviously, no justice. you cannot have a system that wants to review 80,000 cases. i do think our appellate system could use some tweaking, but by and large, the florida -- i am not sure i agree with that -- almost certainly respected -- the florida supreme court's motto is, you'll appreciate this, i will not give you the latin version, but the translation is "soon enough, if correct." that is the actual motto. sometimes soon enough is not soon enough. you are correct. as you know, professor, the supreme court of the united states takes such few cases that usually the intermediary court decision is the final one. we have to fill the bench. it is going to be worse every day if we have an empty fe

in tennis local favorite john isner julian beneteau will buckle at large for the normal winston salem open title the event the last warm up before next week's u.s. open the final grand slam of the season north carolina man is now reaching the decider by taking some positive from the roddick long rallies where the order of the day early on but it was is now he finished off the opening set seven six with an ace another spirited effort by topsy roddick in the second but is there again ended things offs with really when it mattered the most for a straight sets victory seven six six four with the final score. is there now takes on beneteau who have a tougher passage to the ultimate round the frenchman up against dutch. number one robin haase first set last scene to wake up bennett so with tireless running all over the court paying off securing the second on a tie break seven six beneteau continued his strong play in the final set taken in by the same scoreline their twenty nine year old is the first qualifier this season to reach the final of an a.t.p. event he'll be aiming for his first e

in time as local favorite johnny's noble battles early on but it's all for the inaugural winston salem open title the event the last war before the u.s. open the final grassland of the season american is now reaching the decider by taking out competitors and to your all day long rallies where the order of the day early on but it was on the dog is the who finished off the opening set seventy six with a nice not a spirited effort by top seed drawn to come in the second again and the things with me when it mattered most for a straight sets victory seven six six four. you know takes on bennett's all had to tell for passage to the ultimate round the frenchman up against the halls of. fame to wake up. and it's all with tireless running all over the court thing all securing second the second set on a tie break then it's often seen that his strong claim the final said taking him by the same school and that's why it's not a year old is the first school for the season to reach the final of the need to be event will now be aiming for his first ever to her title after four runner up and for its pr

in tennis a local favorite john isner julian bennett so will butler large for the inaugural winston salem open title the event the last warm up before next week's u.s. open the final grand slam of the season north carolina man is now reaching the decider and pocket andy roddick long rallies were the order of the day or lee on but it was his near who finished off the opening set seven six with an ace another spirited effort by topsy roddick in the second but is there again ended things off swiftly when it mattered the most for a straight sets victory seven six six with the final score. is there no take on beneteau who had a tougher passage to the ultimate round the frenchman up against ducks. number one robin haase our first set last seen two o'clock beneteau with tireless running all over the court paying north securing a second on the tide seventy six then are to continue his strong play in the final set taking it by the same scoreline their twenty nine year old is the first qualifier this season to reach the final of an a.t.p. event he'll be aiming for his first ever tour title after fo

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. >> it's kind of like the famous winston churchill quote. always count on america to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else. well, we've pretty much tried everything else. and we in the political leaders now ought to get down to the business of doing the right thing. >> pelley: under the new law, if the joint committee on the budget fails in its massive cuts, across the board cuts will be imposed automatically. coming up next, children in this corner of america would go hungry, if it weren't for her. i'm laura, and this is my cvs. i just transferred a prescription to cvs because they have care 1on1. it's where the pharmacist stops and talks to me about safety and saving money with generic prescriptions. laura, let's talk about possible side effects. it's all about me. love that. get care 1on1 and talk savings, safety, and side effects when you transfer or fill a new, ongoing prescription. i'm laura, and this is my cvs. it's all mine. lights, camera, activia it's the best job in the world. to be there for them, you've gotta f

as winston churchill once said, courage is what it takes to stand up and speak. courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. i can't think of a better way to sum up this last year and in particular, these last few months right here in washington than that. the american people want to see accountability and cooperation in washington, and they want to see that we're working together to get our fiscal house in order. this legislation doesn't get us there but for the first time in a very long time, i think we can say to the american people that we're finally facing in the right direction and for that, we have them to thank. >> majority leader, the senator from nevada. >> this is the majority leader, harry reid. he's about to speak. we should listen to him as well, then we'll assess what's going on. john king is here, gloria borger is here. stand by. let's listen to harry reid. >> -- and averted default on our debt that has been so concerning to all of us for such a long period of time. our country was literally on the verge of a disaster. it was on the brink

the other loyal to this man, winston blackmoore.a long time polygamist. >> i've heard the stories. just different people have come like you've come and told me about them. i feel very disappointed if they were actually true. >> a woman who did not want her face shown told us that it is true. she says she has first-hand knowledge. three of her nieces were among those sent away to be married to older men in the u.s. >> it angers me that 12 and 13 year olds would be taken away and given to an older man. and that he'd consummate their marriage vows. that angers me. i mean, they're just children. you know? it's not right. >> many girls investigators say, ended up here at this flds compound in pest texas where we tried to get some answers. >> it's gary tuchman with cnn and we're doing a story about warren jeffs. cars went in and out but no one came out to talk. warren jeffs' attorney declined to comment. the people that live on the ranch in one of the most isolated parts of texas are not only loyal to warren jeffs they're the most loyal o

washington and main street which i think it's less press and i think going forward we have to hope that winston churchill's old saying about america proved true again which is america always gets it right but not until it's tried everything else that doesn't work and how about fail and then we'll get it right you seem to be have moved through a lot of things that are working and i can only hope you find one that does although i have to be honest with you i do have high hopes for the for jobs response in the big picture but in terms of the september announcement from the administration it's hard to be excited and feel like you'll be likely delighted with what you have to see i mean yeah even if he comes up with something that economists say is brilliant that's the congress to get it through and we've seen how how well that's that turned out i mean later on in this program we talk about how hurricane funds are now trapped in congressional political partisan infighting but i guess very quickly do you think that. some people have said you know if obama had pushed more somehow somehow we could have

writer, not compared to the doctor roosevelt or woodrow wilson or various world leaders, such as winston churchill or lenin. before i could think more about the question, there came my boxes, and so i put away the thought in the back of my health but fast forward several months. in the meantime, i dropped my dissertation, taken a leave of absence from school and started work at the legal assistance as a law firm. at one point the editor0s a journal, invited know write an article about franklin roosevelt for the journal. i didn't want to use my abandoned disdissertation and had little time for research. so i thought i would take up franklin roosevelt's write to see what he had written before he was president. so i ordered copies of the article from the fining aids of fdr's writings, especially from the 1920s when he was in private life and trying to recover and had used writing as a kind of therapy for himself. when i read the airlines discovered to my great surprise that fdr hat written several pieces on diplomatic relations between the united states and japan which he wanted to improve.

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winston found out she was infected by her long-time boyfriend after routine blood work for a surgery.an hiv test was not a big deal to me, and i thought okay, i will get an hiv test, and after all i was in a relationship and i did not worry about that. it was a big surprise when i found out i was hiv positive. >> reporter: after her diagnosis he made the fight against hiv her mission. she is involved in an organization that educates women about the disease. it has been difficult to get people to take personal responsibility. >> the willingness for our community to face this is a dilemma to me of why you don't want to understand what is going on with your body. it's up to the individual at this point to move forward in their decision to get tested and know their status regardless to what the results are. >> reporter: the numbers are devastating. the rate among blacks is eight times that of the white community. >> there is disparity because of the stigma that is related with hiv. if we look at it as a health dilemma as it is, and treat it as such and not as bad behaviors, then perhaps p

one faction loyal to jeffs, the other loyal to this man, winston blackmore. he is a long-time polygamist leader who does not want to believe accounts of child brides moving away from canada into the united states. >> i've heard those stories. just different people have come like you're come and told me about them but i would feel very disappointed if they were actually true. >> reporter: a woman who did not want her face shown told us it is true. she says she has first-hand knowledge. three of her nieces were among those sent away to be married to older men in the u.s. >> it angers me that 12 and 13 year-olds would be taken away and given to an older man and that he'd consummate their marriage vows. it angers me. i mean they're just children. you know? it's not right. >> reporter: many girls, investigators say, ended up here at this flds compound in west texas where we tried to get some answers. [ phone ringing ] >> hello. it's gary tuchman with cnn and we're doing a story about warren jeffs. cars and trucks passed in and out, but no one came out to answer qu

and eden was needling him and saying, wow, winston, you are feeling awfully modest today, around you?e said, no, anthony, i know whenever you see something large and well functioning you want to nationalize it. that's the way it went here. for about two years. but now it's stopped. now it's stopped. at least that's -- it may not be all that we want, but at least it's something. i want to actually talk to you tonight a little bit about abraham lincoln. and why i believe that the republican party today should in the deepest sense be the party of lincoln. why do i want to talk to you about abraham lincoln? a couple things. one it's been a long week. i assume you heard enough about barack, michelle, nancy, and harry, and there's nothing i can add to what you have heard about contemporary politics in washington. two, i'm working on a book on lincoln, so i'm very absorbed with him at the moment. three i think it's a fascinating, amazing period. we were becoming a major industrial power yet this is a country still at the very personal feel to it. on new year's day when abraham lincoln issued

some say that they cite winston churchill when they start voting with their pocketbooks they will come around if they are not a liberal when they are 20 there not a hard to they're not a conservative by 40 they don't have the brain. this would be great if it were true but it ignores our best history that was set by ronald reagan. he brought an entire generation of youth into the republican party as the reagan revolution he won it decisively by 20 points in 1984 it is not true republicans or that use will not vote for republicans. and even the very first millennials when they came to the polls, those first-ever eligible split the ticket evenly between alcor and george bush. i think it is fair to say because the youth don't have as much experience as older generations the political views are formed as much of the failures they have known as by any vision is caused by a particular politician. reagan was aided by the failures of the carter administration but could communicate conservatism beautifully that the entire generation rallied to his vision and that is also what barack obama was ab

some say that like winston churchill when they start vote with their pocketbooks they will come aroundif they are not a liberal when they are 20 that have a hard they're not a conservative if they are 40 they don't have the brain. this is great if it were true but it did note -- ignores the best history that was set by ronald reagan. he brought an entire generation of route use into the party. >> guest: these boats in 1990 and decisively by 20 points in 1984. it is not true that the use will not vote for republicans. even the very first millennials, the first that were eligible to vote and 2000 and split the ticket evenly between all glor and george bush. it is fair to say because there is not as much experience the political views are formed as much by those failures they have known as any vision espoused by a particular politician and a reagan was aided by the failures of the carter administration but also able to communicate conservative is of so beautifully an entire generation rallied to the vision. also that is what barack obama was able to do. the youths started to break from th

. >> winston churchill said never promise victory and don't delivery. i should say that he's giddy with the results in wisconsin, and he has so overstated it, it's time to have fun, because the walrus under water, which is what it sounds like when he broadcasts, that guy is so over the top, that it gives us a teaching moment. let's listen to rush-bo today. >> the people of wisconsin have fended off what amounted to a government union takeover. if the taxpayers of wisconsin can win against those odds, we should be able to do the same thing in every state, and in washington, d.c. we ought to be able to roll back in obama care. we ought to be able to roll back everybody obama has given us. we should be able to roll back the whole democrat agenda for the last 65 years, yes, we can. >> gentlemen, i want john to tick these off on where you agree with rush-bo. he wants to get rid of the be grace with harry trouping in the united states forces. 65 years ago. he wants to get rid of the brown case integrating our schools. he wants to get rid of medicare medicate,

. >>> in history classes we are taught that abraham lincoln, winston churchill, martin luther king, we're were great world leaders. all four dealt with some form of depression, at least that is what a new study claims. it goes further saying their depression helped these men lead in times of crisis. good morning, doctor. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> how did you come to this conclusion? >>. >> well, i looked into the backside of leaders well known in times of crisis. i did research on mania and depression thea shows realism and empathy. i found the traits were present in the great crisis leaders and often absent in mentally healthy leaders not so successful during cries c crisis. >> were there logs? they were able to take anti-depressants and things like that? how are you certain they suffered from depression? >> all medical diagnosis is probablistic. it's not absolute. in psychiatry i use the standards methods from clinical care. symptoms, genetic history and whether someone was treated. in most of the cases there's the symptoms themselves, the periods of sever

winston churchill called it the good companion.on liked to smush fish and chips with lots of peas. me, i'm easy. i just like tabasco on it. you know it's going straight to the thighs, right? but who cares because it's tastes really good. i'll just dip in that. great to see you, so here it is, my favorite fish and chipper. zane virgie, cnn, london. >> oh, you lucky dogs, now i'm hungry, as is jacque. i want some fish and chips now. that's what i'm going to have for dinner now. i won't be going to london, but i'll find it somewhere around here. >> how are you? >> i'm good. it's hot out there, finally a little relief, at least for the folks in texas. >> how significant is that relief? >> when you're talking temperatures that are no longer 100-degrees plus. and you get a little rain when you haven't had any rain. most of the rain is starting to kind of fizzle out a little bit here, we had a nice complex that moved on through, temperatures have been in the 70s and 80s all day long. that's the great news. how much rain did they get? how

winston thompson is the family's attorney. >> as the facts developed, it went from a bad situation toworse. this could -- at that time they were being told this could have been a racially motivated killing. >> reporter: now it appears there is no doubt. >> still in shock. still in disbelief. >> reporter: calls to dedmon's attorney went unanswered. during a bond hearing the attorney said he saw nothing to back up the racial allegations. at dedmon's home a girl who answered the door pretended not to know him though the pickup truck he allegedly used as a murder weapon sticks out of the family garage. police say they returned it after the vehicle was processed. a second teen, john aaron rice was charged with simple assault for his part in the beating. his attorney also didn't return calls. neither teen entered a plea. the other teens in the group haven't been charged. james craig anderson's family decided to remain silent, for now, trying to come to grips with the crime they thought was in mississippi's past -- the murder of a man just because he was black. drew griffin, cnn, jackson, mi

for the actual site because originally you did want to have it in woodstock, you'd found one area, winston farm, but it wasn't available for leasing, and so you looked and looked until you found a place called wallkill. now, can you imagine the wallkill generation? [laughter] anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about how wallkill came about and how you segwayed from wallkill to white lake -- [inaudible] >> originally, woodstock was supposed to be in woodstock. and when we couldn't be in woodstock anymore, i wanted to take the name with me because i thought it really gave everybody the idea of what we were doing in kind of a nice, concise way. but i wanted to be close to woodstock, so we looked in expanding circles from the town and found the perfect place to do the festival 10 miles out of town. and it belonged to mr. shaller who was the owner of shaller and weber meats, an old sort of, you know, well-known german meat packing company. and i spoke to the caretaker, he said, yeah, it sounds interesting, and i'll check. and he checked and said, yeah, we'd like to talk about it. of cou