. >> winston packer. i wonder if you could enumerate the success of the program in terms of numbers of incidents that you have of potential attacks you thwarted because of this program. are there other countries that have the ffdo program? >> is that directed at me? >> anybody. >> as far as armed pilots in other countries, no. there aren't other countries armed. we're unique in that. some of them we have to be careful talking about because they are covered by sensitive security information. i talked about one in general from an offduty was able to stop something. if you remember the shoe bomber and underwear bomber, interesting we have items of clothing, we are waiting for the next item of clothing. but there were people in the middle of the aircraft over the wing that stopped it that saw those things. while i can't point to specific incidents other than that general one i talked about, i can assure you they are out there. that they have happened and they are stopping things. it is effective. i hope that