garon wintermute from the uc davis violence prevention research program, dr. wintermute. thanks for joining us. thanks for having me. so that finding that half of us think there will be civil war in the us in a few years political violence in a democracy the leading democracy in the world. are you shocked by this pessimism? not shocked we expected pretty grim findings. these met are worst expectations on the hopeful side the number of people who believe strongly that there's going to be civil. or is much smaller than the number who think it might happen. what was of equal concern actually maybe even greater was that 20% of adults agreed strongly or very strongly with the statement that a strong leader is more important for america than democracy right? and then there's also this one equally disturbing 20% think that political violence is at least sometimes justifiable in general talk about that, too. yes, we asked people in general. do you think political violence is justified got that answer. we then proposed 15 specific sets of circumstances and said what about in this