0ur reporterjonathanjosephs spoke to wipo's director—general, daren tang.t for the last two years there has been a difficult situation macro economically. interest rates have gone up, money supply has dried up, and with the result that venture capital deal flow has reduced considerably. and i think this — what this means is that it may be resulting in a reduction of oxygen to the fire of innovation. and i think what we need to do is that, you know, we are trying to encourage policymakers to look at this and to make sure that when people are innovative, they all have the best environment, right. to bring the idea to the market. when central banks are thinking about the cost of borrowing, are they thinking sufficiently about innovation and the perhaps chilling effect that high costs of borrowing can have on innovation? i think there are probably two ways to look at this. but, in this moment of downturn, right, what we tend to see is that there is a focus on quality again. that may not necessarily be a bad thing for innovation ecosystems around the world. so,