as a wiseman once said, keep-- >> welcome back. the president is in africa at the moment because what better place to celebrate a landmark gay rights ruling. but he couldn't escape questions about nsa leaker edward snowden. >> mr. president, will you use u.s. pill tear assets to in any way intercept mr. snowden to at some point in the future leave russia to try to find safe passage in another country? >> no, i'm to the go scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. >> and why would you? 29 is pathetically old for a hacker. it's like a 50-year-old quarterback. it's just sad. now a 15-year-old hacker, that would be worth breaking out a drone or two for. those scrofy little [bleep] can shut down the country with a flip phone and a paper clip. (applause) >> they're dangerous. okay. so we're to the going to scramble jets to get him but out of interest, where is snowden right now? >> russian president vladimir putin confirmed for the first time that snowden is in a moscow airport. and he said snowden is still in this transit area and ha

our other guest is roslyn wiseman. those of you who are parents have probably read her books. queen bee, queen bee wannabes, she has something else coming out that i'm probably not allowed it talk about yet, something to do with boys coming up. but i want to get started because our time is short. lee, first of all, tell us about bully, please, what was your inspiration for that. >> sure, we kind of met before, we definitely wanted to make our session a little more relaxed and so what we'll try and throw it out to questions pretty soon and have a bit of a free style banter amongst ourselves. but bully basically began as a, like most independent film makers, a dream, how can i possibly make this film, be able to capture bullying and give it a home, if you will, in something as durable and impactful as a documentary or a film. it very much grew from my own experiences of having been bullied as a kid and feeling like or taking the memory of how hard it was to communicate what was happening, to find agreement or adults or even to get my parents to advocate on my behalf and feeling

. >> a very wiseman. >> rose: he seems to know the president's mind for good and obvious reasons he talks to the president. he didn't say that but clearly, a series of conversations first about king abdullah and then president is clearly concerned about the united states being able to selectively participate and not be drawn into a looming regional war as you yourself suggested and we have no business there. and we can't enforce it without a massive injection of american support. >> well, first of all, let's put the strategic importance of what happens there. general mad disour matt advertise, general bashar el-assad is the greatest blow to iran in 25 years so if he wins the connection then hezbollah remains and the reign of terror continues in the region. >> rose: you are saying syria may become a failed state and may be ruled by a group of people who have no interest in good relationships with the united states? >> but not an ally of iran seeking to facilitate their efforts to create mischief throughout the middle east. i mean i am not saying it will be a jeffersonian democracy and may

jonathan wiseman is a congressional reporter reporting on this story for "the new york times," and davidional bureau chief for "mother jones and msnbc analyst. jonathan, i was trying to get the datelines here. doug shulman, a george w. bush appointee to head the irs, was head of the irs during all thisesque paiding, apparently. >> that's right. he left toward the end of 2012, november 2012. so in fact, all of those travels and things like that were all under his watch. >> what stuns me is, you know, i can understand in probably a job that requires a lot of tedious work, hard work, repetitive work, and maybe certainly indoor work at a desk. you'd never get up. they figure that every couple months they have to give their employees something to look forward to. i understand that. but why do they take 2,600 employees out here on the beltway and fly them all the way to california, to anaheim, for a conference? why didn't they go to, like, williamsburg or somebody by bus or something he can do without this enormous expense of travel? any explanation? >> it's crazy, especially since, remember,

the role throughout the history of civilization but apparently, they were not aware that the most wiseman in history said there's nothing new under the sun and this isn't new. it is tried over and over and it is usually tried at the great end of great civilization. cy will remind you of the document that allows the united states to claim its independence and be free to be recognized by england, the treaty of paris. if you look at that document you see big, bold letters at the very top. put yourself in the place of the americans, what would you make britain swear under that they would be so afraid to go back on their word? what would you make them swear under that document that required england to recognize our independence? what our founders came up are these words, in the name of the most holy and undivided trinity. they did not believe that even the adversaries of war would have the nerve to go against that. what we now have today is a wholly quintet who goes against the laws of nature and nature's god and this is very unfortunate. >> i'm michelle bachman from the sixth district of minn