could you please explain wiseman's contribution to this? guest: wiseman is a professional prosecutor. i have had cases against him. he is very top. -- tough. i suspect he had a major hand in writing the second volume. my own is that one of the reasons robert mueller did not come down with the final decision on obstruction of justice is that have enormous respect for his staff members who probably did include that the president did not cross the line into obstruction. robert mueller may or may not have believed that. maybe he will be asked that, and maybe he willrobert mueller mayy . wiseman is going to be a law professor. we will see where his career goes. he served in government for many years. his reputation was as a tough and zealous prosecutor, not only in this case but in many of the other cases. gaithersburg. rights i am a civil lawyer. i am asking a question with regards to why you believe there needs to be a higher standard of high crimes for the impeachment when a misdemeanor is not defined as a high crime, but it is the basis upon

i cannot even imagine what purpose it served other than -- to satisfy the interest of andrew wisemanat witchhunt. >> yes, absolutely correct. and in fact there was no reason for the language in there. it is a very adolescent report. it is written, it is not very impressive professionally and in fact it was clearly written to embarrass the president to figure anyway they could not make him look good, the report is an embarrassment to the department of justice. of course it does not mean anything to bob. poor bob mueller. it is fairly obvious he stayed too long at the fair. lou: and this president had to put up with him all the time that they resided. les turned to where we are in all of the investigations.it becomes clear by every day, victoria, that we need desperately, to know the level, the extent, the breadth and depth of the corruption at the fbi leadership and at the department of justice. your thoughts? >> well, i would hope to see some grand jury open in washington d.c. and grand jury open in virginia. and joe and i talked about this. the first person we would call would be th

wiseman and the government.derson already went out of business, 80,000 people lost their jobs. it was a decision of 9-0. if you take the cover page and the two senses on the last page and the summary it's a five page opinion. when you read volume to read like wiseman road appear questionably expansive view of obstruction. >> right. let me ask you this question. if you are a prosecutor, robert really believed even though the department of justice position was you cannot indict a sitting president, he told the attorney general, it is not the reason they did not bring charges under obstruction. they did not have an obstruction case. >> right. that's right. >> it didn't hold them back, did it? >> no, it didn't. it's interesting when you listen to some people in mainstream media. the focus on language that talks about the department of justice, bipartisan department of justice but mueller also said in volume 2, that it did not hold them back. what they were saying was without regard to that policy of the department j

wiseman i think barr found his bulldog in durham.ou will see people scrutinized if not indicted reaching out to the cia. most of my story if not the overwhelming majority of my entire story and the spying and the various entrapment operations targeted against me and likely others were all based abroad. i was in london. most of them in london. some in israel and some in cypress. my story really had nothing to do with washington or new york so, of course, when these intel agencies spying on me and dirty me up abroad, the fbi doesn't have jurisdiction abroad. the cia does. it's going to be very fascinating to see how durham and who ar horowitz and hoover what they find and what spying was done on us. i mentioned in interview i gave immediately upon joining the trump campaign i was presented with foreign ministers, deputy prime ministers, energy ministers, state department officials so, of course, there was some sort of eye on me upon joining the trump campaign immediately. who put that eye on me? i'm pretty sure it was the cia, not the

wiseman wrote it. lou: this is -- victoria, i find that just an infuriating statement. of prosecutors, that's just an ignorant thing to say. and, obviously, written by somebody who thought he was so cute and so clever, so clever by half. >> well, i'm going to follow up on what joe and seb said about it being unethical, i think somebody should file an ethics complaint in addition to a bar complaint against mueller. not just what he said in the press conference, but for writing up those other 200 pages about, quote, obstruction of justice. lou: yep. volume two. >> i want bob mueller to testify, because i wanted him to be asked the question was there one thing in your investigation that you were not allowed to do because of an act by president trump? lou: yeah. >> that should be, that should be answered. it's -- lou: yeah, i think, i think -- he may not be the brightest fellow, but i have to say i think he's smarter than to put himself before a committee in which republicans will be questioning him. as you all say, closely. >> just remember, lou, he was the head of the fbi

way mueller operated that team there and what they did in terms of the early morning -- >> sean: wiseman, jeannie ray, no republican investigators at all. i want mr. mueller to testify before mark meadows. i want these questions answered. i don't think he has the courage to do it. >> did he interview himself? has the president mentioned? did he interview himself as part of this obstruction investigation related to the mueller firing? he's a witness! >> sean: let me go to sara carter. let's go to this clarification. robert mueller went into this long, drawn out, nine and a half minutes. couldn't consider it because of justice department policy until the department of justice, the attorney general, and the special counsel's office, had to say, oops, we said the opposite in the past number of times. sorry about that. of course the media ignores it. >> this is what's going on here, sean. this is talking to sources and just common sense. they absolutely know that president trump did not commit a conspiracy, there was no obstruction. but they have to focus on that. they have to push everything

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it ears fairly obvious that the wiseman report as we call it was done for one reason only.spea smear the president ando have happen what is absolutely happening right now with the nuts in the house of representative to make trouble for the president. mr. mueller should be ashamed of himself. >> lou, i would like to go back to john solomon's story. it's a really significant story that i'm sure it has legs. here's the issue. with all of this known by the fbi about how bad christopher steele was and with bruce ohr telling the fbi in august of 2016 that the fbi signed a -- lou: top doj official bruce ohr, right. >> yes. say that christopher steele was not only kred nl bu credible buy didn't have any bad information about him, nothing derogatory about him. they swore that to the fisa court. lou: so at this point it's clear, i think to most people, that the democrats stole an election through collusion with the special counsel's office. there seems to be not much room for another interpretation here. >> well, i don't think there's any doubt about that now, lou. as everything else

wiseman was doing his worst, hiding evidence, making up crimes aneverything else on the task force.omey and miller. lou: first he helped kill arthur anderson and for that there's a special place reserved for him in, again, another place. >> exactly. he's part of the problem, i fear. and he brought into the fbi's general counsel who is one of the people who signed one of the invalid fisa applications. applications raise all sorts of questions. turns out to be one of the heroes of the piece. one of the few people whose name, from the justice department and the fbi, actually exhibits integrity and, to me, a real stand-up performance in her job. >> yes, i agree. and hopefully when we see the inspector general's report we'll see more of those people in the department and the fbi as well. lou: good. well that would be nice to see them. because they've been frankly overwhelmed by events. and. >> yes. lou: -- not given the notice and attention that they certainly deserve standing up to the corruption and the ignorance of what has become the fbi under the last several directors. sidney powel

one of them in particular, wiseman, 18 prosecutors. f.b.i. agents all over the place. 500 interviews. 1,400 pages of documents. that i gave. i didn't use presidential prerogatives or anything having to do with the pows of the presidency. i let everybody go up and speak including the counsel, white house counsel, i let them speak for 0 hours as they tell me, 30, 32 hours. i never once said, i could have stopped them, i could have said i don't want white house counsel to speak. i don't want sarah huckabee to speak, who went up there also, i believe. everybody. i didn't have to let any of them go. maybe i would have lost in court, i doubt it. everyone tells me i had the total power to have that stopped. with all of that, after two year -- after two year no collusion, and findings that strongly led a great attorney general to be able to rule no obstruction. k. now, i thought it was over. now jerry nadler, who i fought for a long period of my life because he's from manhattan he's a manhattan congressman and before that something else. i fought him

so if mueller and wiseman wanted to use this letter for some purpose come i think it fails. what they are really trying to do is create and put on a platter some evidence for congress to start some kind of proceedings. and that is the only avenue left. >> laura: we know where that will go. and another thing to pick up on what joe said and kamala harris 42020. another thing she said, did you look at all the underlying or any of the underlying information? witness interviews, millions of pages of documents at the white house sent over there? no, i took the report at face value. i'm not a finder, and original finder of fact in this case. so we actually took the conclusion or effects on obstruction at face value. and she just kind of rolled her eyes, oh, she really scored points against him but should the attorney general of the united states have reviewed the underlying information after a two-year investigation with 20 prosecutors looking into this? >> sol: only if there was a serious factual dispute that was revealed in the report. and really, there weren't many factual dispu

why did he appoint andrew wiseman and a band of democrats, people that withheld exculpatory evidence in the past and people that represented hillary clinton. i'd like a few of those questions. why did robert mueller not touch hillary clinton's bought and paid for dirty russian dossier? i know he was busy. he was looking into fara violations, the bad loan applications, incomplete tax returns, taxi medallions. too busy to investigate hillary's bought and paid for russian lies and propaganda to impact the 2016 election which was part of the mandate of what he was supposed to be doing. watch this. >> should we take the president's tweet from this past weekend as an order to bill barr to not allow robert mueller to testify? >> i think that's a determination to be made at this point. i think -- >> to his credit, though -- >> that's the president's feelings on the matter. the reason is because we consider this as a case closed. as a finished process. and, again, i think most americans think that this is finished. >> sean: most americans do. sanders is right. it's over. it's done. from now o

i will say i was steadfast in my analysis in the beginning, only democratic donors, wiseman the pitbull with an atrocious record. jeanie ray, he couldn't find one republican donor. >> no. and what struck me today was, he's peddling two stories. and by the way this is advisory, not mandatory. not once, not twice, but three times as something completely different. he said the llc had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my decision, decision. so who is telling the truth? this man's core argument is, we can't prove that president did not commit obstruction of justice. he is tainting and smearing the president and forcing him to prove that he didn't do something wrong and that has never been for 200 years the standard in american justice. and it's not only a coin maneuver but a devious maneuver. >> sean: why were these statements, mueller's statements intended to hurt trump. and we all know that prosecutors, if they don't reach a standard of indictment, they don't leave a cloud. there's a reason for that. you don't have a right to say, i don't have the evidence, but maybe something happ

the left will create policies that protect the ruling class, wiseman washington, philosopher kings andhey created as a reason to give themselves more power and inequality is activated in the film any more power to deal with the inequality and then it gets further and that's when you have a publication of socialism for the ruling elite philosopher kings are able to live in a permanent luxury all pointing to the inequality that they themselves created as a reason why they need to stay in power. >> absolutely. what you see is the migration so once they've wreaked havoc in one area then they move to another area and say this is too much taxes on her business and we need to move out of here and move to arizona or nevada and moved to utah and then they start voting for the same policies there. it creates the same problems in those communities that they created in san francisco. >> america has always been about mobility. there's nothing mobile about san francisco. about income tax rate where people can keep the money they are ready. sales tax, property tax, schools that are not working or fun

that hated donald trump, many of them contributed to hillary clinton's campaign, one in particular, wiseman. 18 prosecutors, fbi agents, all over the place. 500 interviews, 1,400 pages of documents that i gave. i didn't use presidential prerogatives or anything having to do with the powers of the presidency. i let everybody go up and speak including the counsel, white house counsel. i let him speak for 30 hours as they tell me. 30, 32 hours. i never once -- i don't want to stop it. i could have said i don't want sarah huckabee sanders to speak and the counsel. i didn't have to let any of them go. everybody said i had total power to have that stopped. with all of that, after two years, no collusion and findings that strongly led a great attorney general to be able to rule no obstruction. okay. now i thought it was over. now jerry nadler, who i fought for a long period of my life because he's from manhattan, a manhattan congressman and before that something else, but i fought him in one, i fought him very successfully. as i said yesterday, lo and behold, i come to watching on the as president

they've been attacking prosecutor andrew wiseman specifically interest having interviewed people anded people to work on the mueller investigation as if that is some sort of vigantic scandal. but that's how they've moved onto pursuing this on the right. they're now going after individually named prosecutors and investigators. we've seen a bit of this from the top, too. during attorney general william bar's testimony earlier this month he had an answer for a letter that was sent to him by the special counsel that unceremoniously ripped william barr for mishandling the mueller report. barr responded to questions about that letter by going after mueller's staff. he told the committee, quote, you know, the letter is a bit snitty. i think it was probably written by one of his staff people. you're seeing this pattern whereby the attorney general and other on the right are trying to put the spotlight on, trying to specifically indict staff members from the special counsel's office, the prosecutors who did the work under mueller. and they get to do whatever they want to do. but honestly it a

because many of the key figures on the mueller team, particularly andrew wiseman who was the number two have left the justice department and now in private practice. and unclear to me and my reporting to what robert mueller is still consulting these people. robert mueller is still a doj employee and he reports up the chain of command up to the attorney general william barr. as ari and others have discussed, there has been a disconnect about how barr has characterized mueller's work and mueller's opinion as evidence in that letter that barr wasn't getting it quite right. it's not clear to me anyway who mueller is consulting on these decisions about whether to go public. you know, he's got a circle of friends that goes back through 50 years of life. let's remember who robert mueller is. a man who volunteered for combat in vietnam as a marine and came back and became a prosecutor and prosecuted murder cases and led the fbi after 9/11. he has a circle of people to draw on who he decided to consult on this decision is unclear. >> look who joined me, tom winter nbc political reporter and some

which made him think his staff wrote it and many people think it was the lead staff wiseman who is at that appeared on -- at hillary clinton's being a loser party. william barr answered that question repeatedly. this one through senator blumenthal. >> you, in effect, exonerated or cleared the president. >> no, i didn't exonerate. i said that we did not believe that there was sufficient evidence to establish an obstruction offense which is the job of the justice department. and the job of the justice department is now over. that determines whether or not there is a crime. the report is now in the hands of the american people. everyone can decide for themselves. there is an election in 18 months. that's very democratic process. but we are out of it. we have to stop using the criminal justice process as a political weapon. ainsley: we did our job. he goes on to say that he read the full report that mueller gave him. he was surprised that mueller didn't make a decision on obstruction. so he and the deputy, rod rosenstein, they felt the doj had to make a decision otherwise it would be irr