withllowed by conversation jeff moss. >> there were no jobs in information security for any of us. maybe people in the military or banks. this was really a hobby. as the internet grew and there were jobs, there was money at risk. all of a sudden, hacker started getting jobs doing security. >> watch on c-span and www.c-span.org and use the free c-span radio app. next, the national archives in washington dc host the portrayal of an 1852 speech by frederick douglass on the meaning of american independence to slaves. following the performance, discussion is held with an andr, national park ranger professor robert levine. this is about 70 minutes. >> now on to our program. it's my pleasure to welcome our three special guests today. johnson, supervisory park , whor here in washington will moderate our discussion ,ater, last but not least robert f levine, distinguished professor from the university of maryland college park. professor levine has been an influential foe