it was interesting to hear witmer say i admire the work he's done on behalf of president biden.nchment, but certainly people are trying to find out where they are on this. clearly both are probably in their last terms as governor. i think they are probably both going to be seen as candidates and they're trying to figure out what the message is going to be. >> they both resolutely didn't want the job of kamala harris's running mate. not that it was offered to them but they came out clearly as being uninterested, right? i wonder if you read anything into that? >> i read into it saying they probably weren't going to get it anyway. so there is that. listen, i think, i don't know the specifics about who actually turned down offers or real interest in kamala harris as the running mate position but other way going forward certainly those two will be part of the conversation. there's a whole other generation of people. some we met not even think of now could be front and center in a free you years, democrats are trying to figure out -- they're trying to get over the shock of the electio

going on fox news and talking of how important it is to talk the other side and witmer has done theo hear whitmer say i admire the work gavin has done on president biden and vice president harris and i looked at the date and saw it was an awkward period. i do think since the election i wouldn't say there's been retrenchment but people are trying to find out where they are on this. i think both newsom and whitmer both are probably in their last terms as governor. i think they are probably both going to be seen as candidates and they are trying to figure out what the message is going to be. >> they both did not want the job of kamala harris running mate not that it was necessarily offered but they came out pretty clearly as being uninterested during 2024. i wonder if you read anything into that. >> probably were going to get it anyway especially newsom being from the same state. i don't know the specifics about who actually turned down offers or real interest in kamala harris running mate position, but either way i do think that going forward certainly those two will be part of the co