and that's the time that witold pilecki freeze. and it just wonder because there is of course quite an extent of literature. and the focuses very much on the reports and actually came out in 1944. and so the most famous report. ... ... auschwitz should be and the victim it's the forming of the great crematory. i would just like maybe interest of the report and request written in 1940 when auschwitz was still relatively small concentration camp and the final solution did not mean the moment yet. come out and 44, there is a bombing at the time. wonder if you would be able to reflect a little bit if you compare and contrast of a 19 for example in 1944 the state credibility of the report. it was in 1940, perceived that you could maybe play a little bit at this time? >> thank you, that is a great overview. i think it helps sort of show the forward trajectory of the story. we all know about that debate or many of us do in 1944 whether or not to bomb auschwitz and is someways has become a symbol for all of us to what we should have done t

and here is witold pilecki now as a prisoner. over the next two and a half years, he forged an underground army in auschwitz and sabotaged facilities, assassinated officers and plotted the uprising. he was arriving at the beginning as a concentratio the concentrao nationals plus he witnessed the steps by which the nazis conceived of the final solution. he was the first person to seek to warn the world about the horrors of the camp and the first to try to stop them. three years before the allied commanders publicly acknowledged the role, he was already calling on them through secret messages smuggled out of the camp to destroy auschwitz. for all of his exploits in auschwitz, his story is almost unknown. i only heard of it by chance. i met up with a friend of mine in 2011 and we were talking about our experiences in war zones trying to make sense of our experiences and my friend had just come back from a trip to auschwitz and learned about the resistance in the camp and like a lot of you, the idea that resistance was possible in au

my name is samantha shokin, manager of the programs and today we explore the history of witold pilecki the resistance leader that is the subject of the new book the volunteer of the true story of the resistance hero that infiltrated auschwitz. a-alpha now with harpercollins. we are joined today