we're moving into the early 1980s, mid 1980s -- i was running the retail futures department for dean witter reynolds. i would have mba graduates come to me saying, i'll move to chicago, i will work for minimum wage 30 hours a week, you know, part-time work as a runner just to learn the business. and, you know, their intention was to leave after a few the months, and can that was fine by me, but they kneaded to get down, make their connections, meet people, understand how it works, and you wound up with suddenly a situation where you were no longer there because you were somebody's son, daughter, niece or feoff you, but because -- nephew, but because you had an advanced degree, and you saw the potential for all of this. >> thank you. and at the risk of being too merc-heavy, i want to target one other person. nancy? you were, arguably -- i know there's some debate -- the first woman to walk on the floor of the exchange, right? >> oh, yes. i was the first woman allowed on the floor of the mercantile exchange. that was in 1962. in fact, the chicago mercantile was the fist explain in the country