. >> e wiwe do.4 that he understood these types of issues with what he calls the hard land of america. he actually lost a popular vote by a substantial number and so it is in cocumbent on us. when we don't know where they stand and even now he's gaining in popularity but still lacks behind barack obama at the same point in transition. >> you are saying don't over learn the lessons of the election because it is a divided country. >> well, he's pretty unique. >> i think there is a lot you can -- i think it is easy to talk about what is unique about donald. >> you have to call him mr. trump. >> i am sorry, my friend, president-elect trump, i think it came out in the bernie campaign as well. the bernie sanders campaign and donald trump campaign, there is clearly a large constituents of people who are hurting economically and who don't feel america's institution whether the media or business institutions have served them well. that he want someone to shake it up. >> isince you are both writers, do you thi