wnnew,llthe tn lyryiseloffkllole issue we get to in the beginning. lthe t n onu'veveroponel orghsotorical followed, had that ability that smenve eof ailac-liken lyg rpllr ottheyen os whec lcuanid? >> i'm not sure that general kelly has the teaello seo it, he put i w devegh that t the-- he could look to the chie h of livksf sewi. g eianinhrser. -theynth ithdams managed that white house very well for arene stl eiani. irser. ery e whn banidlloghav. gith case h of staff. by the way, he had a passion lr h onymitts otthe annsithovaurisghelpfoc in chief of staff. a passion for anonymity. jvatlloghelpllthey ing nresith alghpmg seresith very good job a critical moment, another on,ith erai,atimenrep he rd aspxoanoiths assen os wheclay whn deteriorating. neil: that's right. h ala the lfatimenatimend seuri transition. you mentioned howard dhow asyeaelo,aldr ishietin l liail asyanoies baker from texas, we think of him with george h.w. he pvaesu% ngfeffefsyr,ghe whn withrephase and a terrific job. i'd be on the phone to james drithn lyh reldr oh baker has a wealth