then you go to npr or even wnyc -- hello! these are people!and it happened, i think, for a combination of reasons, but suddenly closing your eyes and hearing something became totally not just a thing that people want to do but, for some reason, it's a thing people seem increasingly to prefer. but the perspective of 30 years of watching it, you were there at the beginning. i mean, radio has a number of qualities, i think, that -- like a lot of listeners to the show i do, this american life, they've told me there are a wave of shows that when they heard them the first time, they didn't realize radio could do the things we do. i'm told often by people, the first time they heard this american life, they didn't realize a radio story could be good. you got calling up in it and wanted to deliver the feelings that drama does and be funny and emotional. you know, for a lot of people, that's news and they want more of it. then i feel like there's a whole generation of us making this stuff where it feels like this -- where it feels weirdly although it's

i do not know what it had to do with wnyc, but it was amazing. >> and sober and reasonable, i am sure. >> i was like, who is this guy? we started talking, and within the first five minutes found out we had five or six spooky symmetries. i went to oberlin 25 years after him. i was working as npr freelancer at the time and he was part of the crew that started npr. it was just one of those things like, i was this echo or something of his life 25 years ago. so we decided we had to have breakfast. >> how is that going to work out for jad, robert? [laughter] >> we start having breakfast and i am opining and being bold and grand. at one point, jad brings me, this is what i have been working on. i put it on and think, oh no. this is completely new. it is gorgeous. it is strange. it is beautiful. it is new in the world. i said, ok. this is going to sound -- instead of me going ruh ruh ruh, how about you? you seem to know stuff i do not know. i kind of reversed roles, from a mentor to -- to what i have become. if you want to stay in the future and you want to stay in the action, you have to sni

wñyc=munuÑ=wkóó+ w-owñi >>> the dairy queen was where the trail went cold. to walk there on a sunday morning to meet her boyfriend's father, art. together they'd ride in his white van to an out-of-town surprise birthday party for cindy's young flame, scott. >> it was obvious that he was very interested in young girls. >> when the detective, mac, talked to one of art ream's four ex-wives, he learned more about his primary suspect's stomach-churning history. a pedophile who had been imprisoned in the '70s for taking indecent liberties with a minor. that's tame-sounding legal language for what the victim, a hitchhiker, said he actually did -- abducted her, raped her in his car and then tossed her out the door. linda had two children with ream, scott and another boy. children thought the ex who were useful to ream's appetite when the boys became young teens. >> they attracted young girls and art liked having the young girls around. i think that was why he liked having scott there because he knew that girls would be attracted to him. and you know, he'd have this