and in europe they define growth as keynesian spending, but i don't know that woerns.r hoover or roosevelt. it didn't work for obama or japan in the 1990s. i do agree with the premise, that our founding fathers set up a separation of power system, because they thought gridlock was a good thing. >> the founders created a system of checks and balances designed intentionally to delay and decelerate decisions. sometimes that comes in handy. you don't want to raise taxes or actually cut spending too radically when you're still in a recession or barely digging out from it. >> one thing to understand, though, most of the big european nations haven't cut any spending. government is growing about 2% a year in countries likes fran and england. it's only the southern european countries. but that's the bond market forcing that, not political willpower. >> well, the people have set no, right? because they're voting out they politicians actually behind ultimate austerity? >> that's true, but they were imposed tax increases. are ill-timed. what's going to be your take, the so-called