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wolinski that courage is awfully important. and ronald reagan had that kind of courage. he didn't, as someone said, huh? buckley said ronald reagan is the first president in the modern era not to care about what the editorial page of the new york times said. and william f buckley said that about his buddy ronald reagan. well, fact is, ronald reagan didn't read the editorial page in new york times. and that's why partly why he didn't care that much about it that was very clear in his and it was just looking back at it it's just a case study in leadership quite, quite stunning. let me say so maybe we can look at that case study. how you apply that today. if you were advising the president biden air and koran puppy, why don't we go to you for that to pick up on the original part of your question? i think we've gotten sort of missile defense in arms control mostly wrong over the past three or four decades. well, sort of going into a history lesson, we got it wrong during the days of the abm treaty, right to key premise the abm treaty, one, two key premise. one is that it wou