and so we can thank wong kim ark for reaffirming that. right.nd many thousands, millions of americans have enjoyed birthright citizenship since then. the perspective and interpretation of uh- that the trump administration has, in its executive order, has never been supported by any court or the us congress. it is a fringe theory that should be struck down and immediately in federal court, and birthright citizenship should continue. >> to dive into the weeds just a little, tiny bit more. the fight centers on a particular clause in the 14th amendment right. the trump order says children born to unauthorized immigrants or temporary visitors are not, quote, subject to the jurisdiction of the u.s. in the way that the 14th amendment intended. is that open to interpretation? how are you going to argue that. >> it's not open to interpretation? the general application of that, subject to the jurisdiction thereof clause is primarily focused on the children of foreign diplomats who are present in the united states, but subject to the rules and laws of thei

wong kim ark was born in san francisco on sacramento street to immigrant parents. after a visit to china, wong kim ark was denied reentry into san francisco because of the chinese exclusion act. wong kim ark went to court, arguing that his birth on u.s. soil made him a u.s. citizen. ultimately, the supreme court ruled he was right under the 14th amendment. california and attorneys general from 17 other states say that's a lesson the new president is about to learn again, and that it's very dubious legal reasoning under trump's executive order. and he's not able to just undo the 14th amendment with the stroke of his pen. but ramos won't have to worry about her daughter's citizenship, since the new executive order won't take effect for at least 30 days. but ramos says the fear is already dominating her community. you mucha gente en la calle. ramos says she useto see a lot of people on the street and in the stores of her community. not so much today. growing fear of mass deportations, pushing undocumented immigrants back into the shadows. damian trujillo nbc bay area n

that is the location of where wong kim ark was born. >> the story of birthright citizenship as we knowgins here on the corner of grant avenue and sacramento street. >> wong kim ark was a person of chinese ancestry. born to chinese parents who were immigrants. >> wong kim ark was born in 1873. his parents, like many chinese immigrants, came to california for opportunities after the gold rush, but competition for jobs led to resentment. >> we have asian hate today. nothing like what they were 1870 to 1890. they were murder burned out, hung. massacred. >> the u.s. then passed the chinese exclusion act of 1882, preventing chinese laborers from coming into the country. >> so if you were a chinese in america after 1882, you were totally excluded not only from coming, but if you were here in america, you cannot be a naturalized citizen. >> even though wong kim ark was born in the u.s, his citizenship was questioned in 1895 as he was coming back from a visit to china. he was detained at the port of san francisco. >> and they say, look, you might have been born in san francisco, but that doesn'

that is the location of where wong kim ark was born. >> the story of birthright citizenship as we knowegins here on the corner of grant avenue and sacramento street. >> wong kim ark was a person of chinese ancestry, born to chinese parents who were immigrants. >> wong kim ark was born in 1873. his parents, like many chinese immigrants, came to california for opportunities after the gold rush, but competition for jobs led to resentment. >> we have asian hate today. nothing like what they were 1870 to 1890. they were murder burned out, hung. massacred. >> the u.s. then passed the chinese exclusion act of 1882, preventing chinese laborers from coming into the country. >> so if you were a chinese in america after 1882, you were totally excluded not only from coming, but if you were here in america, you cannot be a naturalized citizen. >> even though wong kim ark was born in the u.s, his citizenship was questioned in 1895 as he was coming back from a visit to china. he was detained at the port of san francisco. >> and they say, look, you might have been born in san francisco, but that doesn

while the us government insisted he was not a citizen, wong kim ark took his denial of citizenship tohis case came before the supreme court. the court agreed with wong kim ark. the supreme court reaffirmed in 1898 that under the 14th amendment, he was a citizen. the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868, three years after the end of the civil war, to address this country's original sin of slavery, to reverse previous law and court precedent that denied the citizenship and basic humanity of nearly 4 million formerly enslaved people, it said. what it meant if you're born in america, you're an american citizen. but it was wong's case that made it clear that the 14th amendment applied to almost all people born on american soil, regardless of race or ancestry. as i mentioned, the 14th amendment did not initially apply to native americans until the indian citizenship act of 1924. 100 years ago. since president donald trump signed that executive order on monday, six separate federal lawsuits have been filed representing a combined 22 states and two cities. on thursday, a reagan appointed feder

it is our economic right. >> reporter: wong kim ark wouldn't have wanted it any other way. >> usually executive orders take effect immediately but the birthright challenge has a 30 day waiting period and the president lifted restrictions on arrests at churches and schools. so immigration and customs enforcement set a policy in 2011 preventing agents from arresting people in sensitive locations. trump has promised mass deportations but wouldn't say when. and where they would be carried out. >>> onto the south bay. multifaith leaders held a community prayer vigil in downtown san jose this evening to show support for the immigrant community in santa clara county. faith leaders tell us it is an important time to stand together. >> that community is very scared about what's going to happen next. are they going to be separated? are they going to be able to live the life they have tried to live? >> faith leaders say they hope the immigrant community feels they are supported and leans on them during these times. >>> the aclu and state leaders say the immigration crack down can have big impact

in 1898, wong kim ark was born in san francisco to chinese parents living here legally. he left the country briefly to visit china and was blocked from coming back in, with officials citing the chinese exclusion act. his case made it to the supreme court, and he won, establishing precedent for birthright citizenship. today, his great grandson here in the bay area spoke to nbc news exclusively, calling the new executive order, quote, troubling. norman wong said, we can't build the country together and be against everybody. i think the best thing to do is for americans to actually be embracing americans. the trump administration did not respond to an nbc request for comment. so what's going to happen now with immigration? let's bring in our political analyst, larry gerston, and professor rory little with the ucsf law school. gentlemen, nice to have both of you on the program. professor little, we'll start with you. you heard attorney general bonta. he says there's more than 100 years of precedent here supporting birthright citizenship. how does the trump administration cha

that means the story of san francisco's wong kim ark is more relevant than ever. his case, more than 100 years ago, helped set the precedent for who gets to be a u.s. citizen. nbc's gia vang sat down with his great grandson in brentwood. in san francisco chinatown. there's a mural on grant and jackson. one of the faces is wong kim ark. he was born on the 700 block of sacramento street in 1870. but why there's a mural depicting him is one of american history. that's the only picture i've ever seen of him. i know this is a descendant of his. norman wong. i'm glad he stood up. a lot of people have feelings about stuff, but they're not willing to stick their neck out. in 1898, norman's great grandfather wong successfully defended his claim he was a u.s. citizen in the supreme court. officials were denying wong reentry back from china during a wave of anti-asian sentiment in the country, saying his parents were chinese nationals at the time of his birth. but they were in the u.s. legally. so. wong's win reaffirmed the 14th amendment that anyone born in the u.s. is auto

that was true for wong kim ark. that was true for the legal team of prop 187.ll of us who were fighting for roh. and this is incredibly true for the professional rules of the city attorney's office who could work anywhere but choose to represent san francisco and choose to fight for what is right. >> we are in this fight to gather. >> so i have one final thought and i'm going to say this to lucas buddy. >> i don't really remember much of what happened when i was eight. >> but my hope is that you and your friends might remember this moment when the city attorney's office and the community came together to take an oath together to uphold our constitution and to protect our rights, to stand united and radical inclusivity and love as one san francisco. i named my son after a character who believes in the future of hope and i'll just end with this. san francisco my friends, my community. may the force be with us. >> godspeed. and thank you . >> elected official and lifetime here to come to choir rehearsal and hang out. you are officially an honorary member of the ri

that it's very clear that the words of the constitution and precedent you mentioned correctly, wong kim ark it clear. >> that any. >> court who looks at this case will. >> have to side with the states. with the attorneys general. clearly, citizenship as defined in the constitution, the 14th amendment is clear. >> if you're born. >> in that state and you're subject to the laws of the united states, then you're. >> a us citizen. >> the real question is why would he introduce an executive order, which he knows we're going to challenge and which he knows that. us precedent and text of the constitution is against him because he wants to fight. why does he want this fight? >> well. >> it may have something to do with the fact that he has been spouting all types of hostile rhetoric about immigrants all along. i would say this to you, ari. we're not really talking about reforming immigration because there's not one ag in the country, not any policymaker i know who doesn't. want sensible, fair, just expeditious resolution of immigration matters. we clearly want a good, solid, predictable immigration

versus wong kim ark. and there are those who suggest that the children of the chinese immigrants, the parents themselves. and again, immigration was different in the 1890s, but had some kind of quasi legal status here. so they weren't here technically, legally. so that could be a way in, i guess i'm asking, do you have any fears that as this moves up the court chain, that there could be a court, a federal court at some level, maybe the supreme court sympathetic with this white house? >> well, look, let's be clear. you're right that there were different immigration laws in the 1890s. uh, these chinese immigrants were were lawfully discriminated against in our naturalization process. and that's why these parents did not have lawful status. uh, back to dred scott. uh, our country did have a different perception of what american meant. the enslaved were not to be considered, uh, americans. and so their children were not americans. there's no question. there's always been a discriminatory argument that can be

when a california man, wong kim ark, sued and won recognition of his u.s. citizenship, even though his parents were undocumented residents in the u.s. this picture is from uc law. >> the supreme court said that the 14th amendment means what it says all persons born in the united states or naturalized are u.s. citizens. this 125 years later, trying to change that definition, it needs to go back to the courts, or it needs to go to the constitutional amendment process. >> now, that process to change the u.s. constitution, it requires two thirds of both the house and the senate to approve it. and three fourths of the nation's state legislatures would need to ratify any change to the u.s. constitution. so a big hurdle not likely to happen later this morning, california attorney general rob bonta will speak about this executive order and the lawsuit already filed against it. live in oakland. ali rasmus, ktvu, fox two news. >> ali thank you. the president and his supporters spent the evening celebrating his return to office. that included a stop at an event with f

when a san francisco man, wong kim ark, sued and won recognition of his u.s. citizenship, even though his parents were not born in the u.s, the president doesn't interpret the constitution. >> the courts do. and you have a process to amend the constitution, which is going through congress, going through going through the states. the president cannot unilaterally say what the constitution is or what it means in order to change the u.s. constitution. >> two thirds of both the house and the senate need to approve it, and three fourths of the nation's state legislatures would need to ratify any changes. now, the lawsuit against this executive order could end up back at the u.s. supreme court. and there is, in theory, the supreme court could decide different a different interpretation of the 14th amendment this time around. but legal scholars say that is not very likely because the high court does not like to reverse its previous decisions, especially when those decisions have been the law of the land for at least 100 years. live in san francisco ali rasmus, ktvu,

the supreme court eventually heard the case of wong kim ark and the question was what does the language of the 14th amendment mean for birth right citizenship? it read simply and as follows, all persons born or naturalized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the united states and of the state where they reside. the key phrase for legal scholars that want to see this fight go to the supreme court is what is meant by subject to the jurisdiction thereof. if somebody is born to parents of another country, are they not subject to the jurisdiction of, say, mexico? let's bring in fox news editor -- legal editor on all of this. great to have you. the strategy behind this executive order and now the judge that has said the executive order for birthright citizenship it's blatantly unconstitutional. is the setting us up for a fight at the supreme court? >> i certainly think so. of course we know the supreme court does not have to take it up with and makes its way there but that seems to be the strategy. this is a fascinating legal question that has been de

citizen was upheld by the supreme court when a san francisco man, wong kim ark, sued and won recognition of his u.s. citizenship, even though his parents were not born in the u.s. back then. ark's case was brought by the chinese consolidated benevolent association. the san francisco organization is supporting this newest lawsuit. today. >> the chinese consolidated benevolent association mandate this 127 years ago. that birthright is our right. is our civil right. >> legal scholars across the political spectrum agree that birthright citizenship is not something the president can eliminate. with the stroke of a pen to change the u.s. constitution, two thirds of both the house and the senate need to approve it, and three fourths of the nation's state legislatures need to ratify any change. >> it's very clear if you are born in the united states, you are a u.s. citizen. it is in the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, and there is no way that this could possibly be anything other than signaling to his base about the importance of the immigration issue. >> ali rasmus, ktvu, fox two new

the case of wong kim ark who was son of chinese parents and born in san francisco under the 14th amendment qualified under the original interpretation as a citizen of the united states. he went to visit his parents in china, then when we came back, he was denied entry. but the supreme court decided in favor of him, and that's -- i guess since then, it's been determined anybody who is in this country who is not working as a diplomatic attache or something like, that working diplomatically for an embassy, if they have a child in the united states, that child is an american citizen. but getting back to your point, when you look at that affirmation of the 14th amendment provision, in 1898, in this idea that, well, maybe they don't need a constitutional amendment. can the supreme court simply clarify what they believe is the intention of the 14th amendment, jonathan? >> yes, they can. i mean, the thing is the case that you mentioned, people who challenge birthright citizenship point out that the chinese parents were lawfully here. no one is challenging the idea that the children of citizens or

supreme court case of wong kim ark. he was a child of chinese immigrants and born in the bay. he was denied reentry into the u.s. after a trip abroad under the chinese exclusion act. kim ark took his case to the high court, which eventually upheld that a child born in the united states automatically becomes a citizen that's under the 14th amendment, which was established after the civil war. in the studio, monica madden, abc seven news. >> monica. thank you. and it's important to note that president trump's executive order ending birthright citizenship is not set to take effect until february 19th. and of course, there are going to be court challenges. but if it does, if it happens, what impact would that have on californians? i spoke with the state attorney general, rob bonta, earlier today. >> they will be subject to deportation. >> they would not get a social security card. they wouldn't get a us passport. they wouldn't be able to work legally. they wouldn't be able to vote, serve on a jury, run for many public offices. >> those are just a few of the consequences. they also

supreme court case of wong kim ark. he was a child of chinese immigrants born in the bay area. he was denied reentry into the u.s. the u.s. after a trip abroad under the chinese exclusion act. now, kim ark took this case to the high court, which eventually upheld that a child born in the united states automatically becomes a citizen under the 14th amendment, which was established after the civil war. ama and dan. >> all right. thanks very much, monica. >> on the first full day of trading under the new trump administration, all three major indices saw gains. analysts say traders were carefully monitoring the president's flurry of executive orders signed monday. the dow added 537 points to close at 44,025. the nasdaq gained 126 points. the s&p 500 added 52 points. president trump is ordering all federal workers to retuo the office and terminate remote work arrangements. abc seven news reporter luz pena looks at the power of this order and the laws protecting workers. >> president donald trump is ordering millions of federal employees eligible to work remotely to go back to the of

citizen was upheld by the supreme court when a san francisco man, wong kim ark, sued and won recognition of his u.s. citizenship, even though his parents were not born in the u.s. back then. ark's case was brought by the chinese consolidated benevolent association. the san francisco organization is supporting this newest lawsuit. today. >> the chinese consolidated benevolent association mandate this 127 years ago. that birthright is our right is our civil right. >> legal scholars across the political spectrum agree that birthright citizenship is not something the president can eliminate. with the stroke of a pen to change the u.s. constitution, two thirds of both the house and the senate need to approve it, and three fourths of the nation's state legislatures need to ratify any change. >> it's very clear if you are born in the united states, you are a u.s. citizen. it is in the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, and there is no way that this could possibly be anything other than signaling to his base about the importance of the immigration issue. >> ali rasmus, ktvu, fox two news

wong kim ark, a chinese person born here in the united states, traveled back to china. to chinese illegal immigrants, and they said anybody born under the jurisdiction of the united states on u.s. soil is a citizen of the united states according to the 14th amendment. and i think the that's the way it's going to end up. let's just control the border, and we can soft the issue. can i talk about -- solve the issue. can i talk about the terrorist aspect of the cartels? i've been asking for that for some year, and i think not only, you know, should we label them as terrorists, we need to go after hem and destroy them. they've been killing tens of thousands of americans every single year. and so, yeah, i'm really glad that they're a terrorist, been designated as a terrorist by the trump administration. let's go after them and wipe them off the face of the earth. stuart: what do you mean by let's go after them? attack them inside mexico? is that what you're saying? >> oh, yeah. i would give mexico two weeks another the job, and if they can't, then we've got to. we've got to p

and the supreme court confirmed that in wong kim ark, a celebrated supreme court case, you know, moreted history in this country of trying to strip people of their citizenship when they come under fire by one political faction or another. it has never succeeded before. i have a feeling we'll be seeing you and your fellow attorney general, fellow attorneys general, fighting another successful fight on these along these lines, sir. but keep in touch with us as this unfolds. i'll be eager to see how the strategy works here. >> thank you. rachel. >> all right. connecticut attorney general william tong. attorney general william tong. all right. we' patients who have sensitive teeth but also want whiter teeth they have to make a choice one versus the other. sensodyne clinical white provides two shades whiter teeth as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf. watch your step! as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. that's why visionworks makes it simple to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big

in a landmark supreme court ruling in 1898 in the case of a young chinese american cook named wong kim arky two dozen states are suing president trump over his order to end it. washington state is one of them. and attorney general nick brown joins me now. attorney general brown, welcome to the "news hour.” thanks for joining us. nick brown, washington attorney general: thank you for having me. amna: so let's begin with that news today of the federal judge in seattle temporarily blocking president trump's executive order and calling it blatantly unconstitutional. what's your reaction to that ruling? nick: well, we're obviously very happy with the judge's ruling today. washington brought a case, along with arizona, oregon, and illinois, to challenge that executive order. we brought a complaint and temporary restraining order. and to hear the judge from the bench say today that it was blatantly unconstitutional, to say that in his four decades since being appointed by president reagan that he has never seen something so obviously illegal was very heartening and reaffirmed that we need to prot

when a san francisco man, wong kim ark, sued and won recognition of his u.s. citizenship, even though his parents were not born in the u.s. >> the president doesn't interpret the constitution. the courts do. and you have a process to amend the constitution, which is going through congress, going through going through the states. the president cannot unilaterally say what the constitution is or what it means. >> this has to be purely symbolic, because any constitutional scholar or anybody who can just read the 14th amendment will will tell you that it's very clear if you are born in the united states, you are a u.s. citizen. it is in the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, and there is no way that this could possibly be anything other than signaling to his base about the importance of the immigration issue. >> in order to change the u.s. constitution, two thirds of both the house and the senate need to approve it, and three fourths of the nation's state legislatures would need to ratify any changes. now, the lawsuit against this executive order could ver

citizen was upheld by the supreme court when a san francisco man, wong kim ark, sued and won recognition of his u.s. citizenship, even though his parents were not born in the u.s. back then. ark's case was brought by the chinese consolidated benevolent association. the san francisco organization is supporting this newest lawsuit. today. >> the chinese consolidated benevolent association mandate this 127 years ago. that birthright is our right is our civil right. >> legal scholars across the political spectrum agree that birthright citizenship is not something the president can eliminate. with the stroke of a pen to change the u.s. constitution, two thirds of both the house and the senate need to approve it, and three fourths of the nation's state legislatures need to ratify any change. >> it's very clear if you are born in the united states, you are a u.s. citizen. it is in the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, and there is no way that this could possibly be anything other than signaling to his base about the importance of the immigration issue. >> now, the lawsuits against this

supreme court by a case that came out of san francisco, wong kim ark. over 125 years ago reaffirmed the u.s. supreme court has interpreted it the way the language clearly states in the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. no court and this country has never interpreted the birthright citizenship clause to mean what the president seeks it to mean and what he's trying to do. so unfortunately, on day one, he's violating the constitution. he made a promise to end birthright citizenship, and we made a promise to take him to court when he breaks the law, including the u.s. constitution. what he's doing is un-american, and we're going to stop him. >> and mr. attorney general, we just heard from evan perez and priscilla alvarez reporting on some of these other stories on on the immigration front. and one of the things that evan perez was just talking about a few moments ago is that there is this warning coming from the justice department aimed at elected officials around the country, that there may be consequences if you do not aid the trump administration

citizenship definition, quoting the 14th amendment that i just read to you is from 1898 us versus wong kim ark. it has not changed. not in law, not in a time machine. now trump is vowing to start breaking that supreme court precedent and the constitution next month. so this order is his way of laying down his plan, that he's then going to break it and make some sort of federal effort to violate citizenship, and that will be tested in court. the constitution says the privileges or immunities of those citizens shall not be abridged. so if the united states government, under this new administration abridges those privileges and immunities with some of what trump plans to do, denying people their paperwork or the citizenship benefits and treatment they would otherwise get. well, there we are. that's the conflict. trump's announced a plan to violate that. and then the courts will decide. and so i told you i'd keep this clear. this is all how it works. donald trump writing that down on paper on monday does not change the constitution on tuesday. now, if you hear all that and you say, okay, i guess t

the case of united states versus wong kim ark. this is clear. i read the president's executive order on this. if that had been submitted in law school for review, it would have gotten an f minus. uh, it doesn't pass the smell test, but i guess, you know, if you've got two judges, say alito and thomas, who basically are going to go along with anything you give them, i guess you think even in that f minus term paper might get you over. but if we look at it objectively, by reading the face of the executive order in the context of the existing supreme court case law, and most importantly, in the plain reading of the first sentence of the 14th amendment of the united states, this is a joke. >> well, raul, we, you and i are both laughing at the idea of a law school professor asking a hypothetical about what if you just ignored the language of the 14th amendment and said, nah, forget about it. but the first sentence is one thing. but there's also this section about, subject to the jurisdiction thereof. there seems to be an argument being made that thos

well, in one case from, i think, the 1800s united states versus wong kim ark, a man who was born in san francisco, went to visit his chinese citizen parents in china. when he tried to return to the united states, they wouldn't let him back in the country. they argued somehow that he was not a citizen because of where his parents were born. the court reaffirmed again that principle, though born here, american birthright citizenship. so the question is, should the 14th amendment even apply to undocumented persons? well, the supreme court answered that back in 1982, they held that undocumented immigrants and their children are entitled to 14th amendment protections. so the only remaining argument is whether undocumented persons are. there's that language, again, subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. if they are. the 14th amendment applies, and born here, american. but if they are not subject to the jurisdiction, are they really americans entitled to birthright citizenship? well, that's where we meet people like connecticut attorney general william tong, one of now 22 state ags,

supreme court's own case, wong kim ark, that are very clear that it is. >> jus soli. >> it's birth onnts. now, granted, the 14th amendment also says not only, you know, born here, but also subject to the jurisdiction thereto. and that's. >> the. >> phrase that the. >> eo is trying to suggest. >> if there's. >> wiggle room. >> if people are subject to the jurisdiction of the place where they're from, then they can't arrest them at all. they're all diplomats. >> well, so. >> this. is the. >> couple of different forms of jurisdiction, right? clearly, everybody here is. subject to u.s. >> law just. >> by being here. the idea, the notion, i think that they're trying. to assert and i know this because they wrote it in their opposition to the first. >> case, is. >> that if you're here on some sort of temporary status, you've got an allegiance to another sovereign. and that's because i don't know about you. i was surprised to see it apply to people like student visa holders and work visa holders. i was not surprised to see him try to do it with respect to undocumented people, but visa holders

the wong kim ark case coming out of san francisco, and other supreme court cases very well established you're born on american soil, you're an american citizen. and so we also have some some other arguments with respect to the immigration and nationality act. but the main argument is that the president of the united states is violating the u.s. constitution. the clear and unambiguous language therein. his theory is a fringe theory, never before adopted by the united states or any court. so he has an uphill battle on this one. he has overreached by a mile. >> you called it, as i pointed out, in the lead in a war on american families. what's the real world impact, mr. attorney general? and what are you hearing from californians who are afraid? >> the real world impact is that life saving, health improving services like health care through medi-cal or medicaid, through the chip act, the children's health insurance program, federally subsidized housing programs and food assistance programs will not be available to these children who would normally enjoy birthright citizenship. they also wo

and the supreme court confirmed that in a famous case called wong kim ark about chinese american immigrantsre going to go right into court and we're going to stop him. >> attorney general, i did want to also follow up. you have said something very interesting. you said calling connecticut, for example, a sanctuary state or sanctuary jurisdiction is actually not only legally incorrect, but it kind of sends the wrong message quickly. speak about why it's important for people to understand why the use of that phrase is probably not helpful. >> first of all, it's the policy of the state of connecticut to respect, honor, and protect immigrants and immigrant families. and i'm just going to say what we mean and what our policy and our law is. there's no law. there's no statute. there's no ordinance that says sanctuary. and it's not helpful because on the other side, they'll say that that suggests that we're not going to comply with federal law or state law. totally not true. we're going to protect connecticut families and immigrants in full compliance with the law. and i also think that sanctuary,

supreme court precedent, wong kim ark. that goes back to 1898, really strike at the heart of what it means to be an american. and that's why we started out with a lawsuit. within two hours of that executive order, challenging it. >> and that that was noteworthy. so when, as we know as these legal challenges we have seen in the past, they take time. and time is not something that a family who is in their third trimester has when they have their baby coming very soon, and that's what i understand is the circumstance of this couple in new hampshire. what do you think this means to them when they are very much as they're waiting their decision on their asylum claim and request? what does this mean for them? and you have to assume other families that that are in a similar circumstance right now while they wait for this to go through the courts. >> well, kate, we represent three community based. organizations that have members in new hampshire and throughout the united states who will be affected very deeply by president trump's

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