. >> so let's say i'm on the policy wonk end of the spectrum, as much as i can dive into a briefing book really work to master various subjects that come before my desk, i'm still not an expert on a huge amount of stuff that we work on. but i do make sure that i've got people who are experts that are helping me make the best decisions possible. and if you don't have good people and you don't have a good process and you don't have at some level the basic reverence for this office and an understanding of the incredible responsibilities and obligations, then i think you can get in trouble. >> let's discuss all of this with presidential historian and cnn political analyst. ron, do you think this is another effort by president obama to encourage donald trump to trust the intel community, and to trust the people around you, saying he may be a political wonk and likes to dive into the briefing book but at the same time he's trusting the people around him to best advise him before he makes big, critical decisions. >> sit really feels like since the day after the presidentia l election, that pres

steven is a compassionate person, he's a policy wonk. i got him as a financial genius. the president-elect could have picked anyone to be his treasury secretary and, believe me, tons of people wanted that job. he picked steven because he knows he can prosecute the agenda up on the hill and it will make america great again, it will provide opportunity for the middle-class people and working-class people. so let's just give it real balance. he went into the trade for a business venture and make economic return by taking economic risk. >> there you go. >> he did also save 170,000 homes. >> yes, he did. >> and he saved countless jobs at one west. that bank was -- >> he did. >> if indymac was left on its own, it would have gone nowhere and so many people would have lost their jobs. you're right there. >> let's bring those people and go to the cafe later today and interview some of the people who -- >> i'm not going out to lunch with you. >> let's have lunch with the people whose jobs have been saved and sit down with them and say thank god steve mnuchin came in here. >> let'

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we don't assume you are a policy wonk, but it is people who signed up because they were worried aboutiscal challenges. i was just talking this week with one of our members in colorado, who wants to work on how you build more of a state chapter in colorado. brian: you run fix the debt yourself? maya: yeah, i run it. brian: how do you maintain the balance? does fix the debt give money to members of congress? maya: no. brian: who do they give it to? maya: we don't spend a lot of money right now because we don't think there is an opportunity for a deal. we used money a few years ago to travel around because we had bigger staff. we do events out in the states with our state chapters, as many as i can, but we are mainly saving those resources for if and when there is an opportunity for a debt deal. i wish i could say when i thought that was going to be. you have to get the grassroots interested. they need to push members, and members have to work together. brian: there was a tiny mention of the money problem in the farewell speech of barack obama. here is nine seconds. [begin video clip] pr

you don't have to be a policy wonk. you don't is have to be a political nerd. you have to be an american to care about the process we are watching. that's what today is all about. it's that peaceful transfer of power and it's a continuation of the constitution. >> you know, you use the word majesty. i think the ceremony closely resembles is a coronation. in a coronation, you don't have the former king or queen there. >> it is the people that are r involved in the coronation. >> greg, i expect the change in tone from candidate trump to president-elect trump to president trump. he was speaking to donors at a dinner last night. these were the people who donated to his campaign so he was talking about the election. listen. >> we have a cabinet, i believe, the likes of which has never been appointed. never been a cabinet like this. i will say the other side is going absolutely crazy. >> so today, should not be about it and i doubt it will be about the other side going crazy. that is not what i expect trump will address. instead. it is an opportunity to reach out to

that's why you hear every one of these morons who pretends to be a wonk or have real policy knowledge. each one of them is enlarging the problem and they want to have a comprehensive solution. it has to be comprehensive trade and immigration. if you hear comprehensive, ladies and gentlemen. you have got someone trying to run something at you. >> people can't understand why something called free trade needs 3,000 pages. lou: you and i most answer to that. it's because it's not free trade. >> 4% growth for five years if donald trump pulls it off. that's the difference between going 20 miles an hour count highway. i'm so excited. i love that speech he gave today. if he can pull it off. if he gets the staff behind them and the congress behind them. this is going to be a great period of prosperity. lou: take it to the bank it's a done deal. up next, donald trump ringing in his new administration with promises to tomorrow the washington establishment. that's not going to be a problem. he already returned power to the people in the person of president trump. >> this is your day, this is your

he's extremely knowledgeable about the legislative process and a policy wonk. >> reporter: the imprint of mike pence can be sooneen across the trump administration. but republicans here on capitol hill also tell me they hope he'll be inflew edges inside the white house on policy. >> joining me, floria borger and john king. john, it was a pretty striking visual to see president obama and vice president elect pence on the hill rather than obama and trump. what does that say in terms of the role pence is going to have as vice president? >> we should not overstate or understate his role. is he his number one legislative trump person on capitol hill. more importantly, he's the number one conduit for conservatives who still have doubts about donald trump, who don't now donald trump and what direction he will take as president. so pence is their point person, because they know he has donald trump's ear. they know donald trump is grateful for his loyalty on the campaign trail. we don't know what kind of influence he has in the room one on one with donald trump. make no mistake, trump is the bo

of tear down the roof today and replace with unknown thing in a few years, even republican policy wonks are just horrified at this. >> because what do they say, obamacare which was romney care before that which was hillary clinton care before that. >> and clearly a lot of elements of obamacare deeply unpopular and overall it is but areas that are popular. parts that are pomular are only possible because of the unpopular parts like the mandate. >> donald trump has said he likes key parts, keeping coverage for preexisting positions and keeping parents on it until 26. has he boxed in republicans? >> he's not only republican said positive things about those aspects but it is the second question. you have to get to the mandate. because when you say you want to cover preexisting conditions how do you get insurance companies to agree to that if you're not also guaranteeing v massive customer base that individual mandate of everybody forced to get insurance? that was buy-in for insurance companies to have reason or incentive to cover them, or allow a young person to stay on the policy until 26.

rick perry is known for being a wonk. the department tweeted out this picture of him in his natural habitat @earnestmoniz. we have a ton of adoring "morning joe" fans here. it's great to see. >> we can hear the buzz. >>> just ahead, one notable snub for the nba all-star game. and louis is back with sports, next. runs on intel? that ride share? you actually rode here on the cloud. did not feel like a cloud... that driverless car? i have seen it all. intel's driving...the future! traffic lights, street lamps. business runs on the cloud... and the cloud runs on intel. ♪ i wonder what the other 2% runs on...(car horn) ♪ ♪ ♪ hey, need fast try cool mint zantac. it releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. try cool mint zantac. no pill relieves heartburn faster. be ready to clean up the mess. house. the kidsave fun, but 's pretty gross. (doorbell) what's that? it's a swiffer wetjet. i can just grab this and just go right to the mess. that comes from

. >> reporter: you were called the wonkyest wonk in the white house. is the president even wonkier than you? does the president wish you had gotten something done that you didn't? >> immigration reform. >> i think it is heartbreaking for the millions of immigrants who have made lives here, who raised families here. >> to me, that's the biggest regret on the economic side. >> reporter: how closely will you be watching with something that you were key to putting together, and that's obamacare? >> i think it's going to be hard to do anything to it because it worked. >> reporter: what will you miss about the president? >> i'll miss talking about chinese science fiction novels with him. >> reporter: seriously? >> seriously. whenever he goes off on vacation, ps out a list of books he was reading and last year he put out a book "the three-body problem," chinese author translated into english. fantastic novel. i had read it. he read it. he ended up really liking it. we talked about this a bunch in a meeting. we both read the sequel at about the same time. and

i'm watching health policy wonks work this out in realtime. here's what i think is an interesting idea, right? you have populist nationalism on this rostrum up there today, on the dais. that was full bannon. it sounds different than ryanism and pencism. the question is do you get that rhetoric and get basically the paul ryan/mike pence agenda? >> that's what i'm afraid of. people has said he's going to block it, he promised not to touch medicare and medicaid, social security. the ryan budget is very different. but i have just a feeling that when they start selling him on it he'll try to sell it to his people as this is a bigger better bolder version of medicaid, this is better for you. i'm saving it, it was the worst, obama ruined. >> it or say we're not privatizing medicare when you're privatizing medicare. >> exactly. say you're divesting yourself or turning your businesses over, you don't turn them over. right. >> it's easier to do that when you're talking about your business than when you're talking about somebody else's medicare. >> right

so let's say i'm on the policy wonk end of the spectrum. as much as i can dive into a briefing book and really work to master various subjects that come before my desk, i'm still not an expert on a huge amount of the stuff that we work on. but i do make sure that i've got people who are experts that are helping me make the best decisions possible. and if you don't have good people, and you don't have a good process, and you don't have at some level, the basic reverence for this office and an understanding of the -- the incredible responsibilities and obligations, you can get into trouble. >> you're not much of a weather to. he was on a tirade this morning. herbally this morning. clearly, according to him and his people, he's going to continue to do it behind that desk. good idea? >> on the one hand, information is moving quick. i -- or the way in which people consume information is changing so fast. clearly this worked for him. it gives him a direct connection to a lot of the people that voted for him. uh -- i've said to him, and i think ot

working with congress to do -- tom price has been working very closely with republican health care wonkso figure out how exactly they're going to do this. it's very much unfinished business how exactly it's going to play out because they had the 2012 plan on the shelf, what happened between 2012 and 2016 was obamacare was implemented. >> very quickly, molly, the problem, though, for republicans with price is the idea of making money off of being in power, that's drain the swamp 101. >> let me just say one thing. the dirty secret is, every lawmaker comes to washington and gets rich. everyone does it. >> i hear you. >> yeah. >> but i -- >> the point about trump is well taken, he doesn't like sloppiness in. >> that's right. >> he doesn't have a problem with people when he feels they're being treated unfairly. >> eliana, daniella, molly, i have to let it go there. we'll have more on "mtp" right after this. ♪ every time i travel, it's the moments that are most rewarding. ♪ because if you let yourself embrace them, you'll never forget them. the new marriott portfolio of hotels now has 30 brand

let's take off your actor hat and put on your policy wonk hat for a second because you worked in thisdid work in the obama administration. the president of the united states just put out a tweet that, one, calls this executive order a ban. we've been getting a lot of push back from trump supporters. >> he just called it a ban. it's a ban. it's not a moratorium, it's not just a delay. call it what it is. the bad would rush into the country if he had given any notice that bad dudes, as he calls them, would have rushed in. that's not how our vetting works. how do you feel the misinformation should be dealt with in terms of helping people deal with the real fear about muslim extremism? >> you had service members who i think articulated this really well. i think what the president is saying and doing is completely ridiculous. who are the bad dudes miraculously coming in with ten hours' notice? is it the army interpreters we detained over the weekend, the folks that saved american soldiers' lives. are those the bad dudes? i find that insulting as an american citizen that you would infer tha

i'm watching health policy wonks work this out in realtime. here's what i think is an interesting idea, right? you have populist nationalism on this roster up there today, on the dais. that was full bannon. it sounds different than ryanism and pencism. the question is do you get that rhetoric and get basically the paul ryan/mike pence agenda? >> that's what i'm afraid of. people has said he's going to block it, he promised not to touch medicare and medicaid, social security. the ryan budget is very different. but i have just a feeling that when they start selling him on it he'll try to sell it to his people as this is a bigger better bolder version of medicaid, this is better for you. i'm saving it, it was the worst, obama ruined. >> it or say we're not privatizing medicare when you're privatizing medicare. >> exactly. say you're divesting yourself or turning your businesses over, you don't turn them over. right. >> it's easier to do that when you're talking about your business than when you're talking about somebody else's medicare. >> right.

>> well, i think we'd want to know more about -- you really need to be trade wonk to judge these things more detail. in principle, i agree with what you just said. it was always clear during the campaign that mr. trump in saying he would build the wall and he intended that mexico would pay for it, that he expected to extract that payment by reducing the trade imbalance between the two countries. there are less ham handed ways of doing that than straight imposition of increased tariff like this. i assume and i hope and i share the wishes that mr. castaneda expressed that relations can be put back together. >> conrad, do you celebrate this talk of tariffs and potential trade wars? it's happening with mexico and china. i'm wondering, you have historically been a free trader. you supported brian mulroney when he negotiated nafta. are you comfortable with this new world we're going into? >> i don't think we're going into such a world. i think your president has stated clearly he's in favor of trade. he's not particularly a protectionist but has reservations about some trade agreements he fee

. >> if you are a policy wonk. it's both going to be exciting and frustrating i think right now in this town. all right. you guys are sticking around for the hour coming up. >>> details on a staff shakeup at the state department. >>> plus, keeping up appearances, why the president and one of his top strategists have decided to take on the media over and over again. stay tuned. y with the kids to get a repair estimate. liberty did what? yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila! (sigh) i wish my insurance company had that... wait! hold it... hold it boys... there's supposed to be three of you... where's your brother? where's your brother? hey, where's charlie? charlie?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance you're so cold, come in! what's wrong? it's dry... your scalp? mine gets dry in the winter too. try head and shoulders' dry scalp care it nourishes the scalp and... ...keeps y

scarlet: you are known as a policy wonk for a reputation of working well with members of both partiese said it would make an easy political victory for the republicans to make modest law, let the current premium stabilize, then take credit for it later on. you see any willingness on the republican side to do something like that? of the aca, passage we have said we are open to improve it. if they want to meet with us and look at ways we can make the aca better, absolutely we will join them in those efforts. it was never a perfect bill. bere are heirs it can improved. sit down and work with us in a bipartisan matter and we would work with them to improve the law. if they are talking about repealing it without knowing what will come next, i can assure you we will find that. scarlet: are there any members leaning in the direction to work with them on that? >> republicans working with democrats? we have not seen any real effort to engage us on the aca. democrats willing to work with republicans and in order to make our health care system stronger and after. -- and better. we are not willin

and he's always been a policy wonk. >> the imprint of mike pence can be seen across the new trump administration. he will play a key role in implementing that trump agenda starting with obamacare. but republicans here on capitol hill also tell me they hope he will be influential inside the white house on matters of foreign policy and intelligence. anderson? >> jeff, thanks. a lot to discuss. joining me cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and anchor john king. john, it was a pretty striking visual today to see president obama and vice president elect pence on the hill rather than obama and trump. how much does that say about what kind of role pence will have as vice president? >> we should not understate or overstate pence's role. there's no question he is key to donald trump. he is his number one legislative point person on capitol hill. more importantly, he's the number one conduit for conservatives in congress and elsewhere in washington who still have doubts about donald trump and worries about donald trump and frankly still don't know donald trump and what direction he will take as pre

first of all, part of what happened at the beginning of the market places, for those who aren't wonks, this is like a wonkapaluza. some serious policy detail here. market places are basically just those places where insurers put up, here's, you know, here's the insurance package we're offering and you can choose from a variety of different packages and then once you've chosen you can figure out the subsidies that you're qualified for and they'll give you a sense of what your out of pocket costs are. and what we've discovered was that a lot of insurers under priced early on because they have done surveys and people were purchasing health insurance like everything else. they'd like to get the best deal for the lowest price. what makes health care tricky is when you buy a tv you can kind of see what the picture looks like. when you're buying health insurance it is tempting to initially buy the cheapest thing until it's, heaven forbid, you get sick and it turns out, gosh, i can't see the doctor i want or the specialist i want or, you know, this is more inconvenient than i expected. so wha

what happened at the eginning of the marketplaces wonks those who aren't -- [laughter] resident obama: this is like a wonkapalooza. there is some serious policy detail here. so the marketplace is where insurers put up -- here's the insurance package we're offering and you can choose from a variety of different packages and once you've chosen, you can figure out the subsidies that you are qualified for and give u a sense of your out of pocket costs here. a lot of insurers underpriced early on because they had done surveys. and look, people who were purchasing health insurance are like purchasing anything else. they would like to get the best deal for the lowest price. when you buy a tv, you can see what the picture looks like. when you are buying health insurance, it's tempting to initially buy the cheapest thing until heaven forbid you get sick and turns out, i can't see the doctor i want or specialist i want or this is more inconvenient than i expected. people bought oftentimes the cheapest insurance they could. insurance companies wanted to get as much market share as possible ended

and a lot of them are policy wonks. we throw a lot of policy dinners where we bring in experts and talk b about i'm going to hopefully do something on health care really soon or talk b about what policies will grow the economy. and we do it with republicans and democrats together because they always talk about the loss of, they don't live here anymore. on the slooiidelines of the soc games. it's good for them to get together with the think tank experts and talk about these issues. >> auk about the base ibs. what are you doing? >> at a restaurant. where we can find a space. we've done them -- >> are you allowed to buy them dinner? >> under a serp amount of money, or certain amount or they can pay for their own, which regularly happens or you can just have appetizers and not give them very good food. >> how do you decide who should come? >> people who have been interested in policy. basically, anybody is welcome to come to them. anybody who shows an interest in it, but trying to figure out who will be interested in talkin

simply put, without daca, i wonk exist for my students and my community. if daca is eliminate l. eliminated, what will happen to jose? the day after daca, he won't be able to teach. he could be deported back to mexico, where he hasn't lived since he was a 2-year-old toddler. thafs that would be a tragedy, not just for jose and his family but for this nation. this is a fine young man who, against great odds, undocumented, has written this amazing record in his life. he is a giving person. he could be making a lot more money than his pay with teach for america in an inner city school. do we need jose in america's future? i think we dovment and that's why i'm happy that this bridge act would give him a chance and congress a chance to address this issue of dreamers. mr. president, i hope that president-elect trump will understand this and continue the daca program. if he decides to end the daca program, i hope his administration will work closely and rapidly with congress to pass the bridge act into law. mr. president, i yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum. the presid

president in the philippines who has bragged about murdering thousands of civilians without due process, wonk name his -- wouldn't name him as a human rights violator. what wouldn't say what russia has done in aleppo is a war crime. i understand you maybe don't know all the facts when you come into the process, but all you have do is pick up a newspaper to understand what's going on in manila or aleppo. it doesn't take a lot of research to know that russia is violating human rights in alep aleppo. he's working for a president who is never going to tell him to care about human rights, a pros who has -- a president who has openly talked about his affection for for fewer, how he thinks that strong leaders are the ones that kill journalists who oppose them. so it looks like we're going a preview of america's historic role in promoting and pushing human rights around the world. we have a president who is openly -- who has openly mocked human rights, who has supported vicious dictators and a secretary of state who has made a career of doing business with some of the worst human rights violators in

that's why you hear every one of these morons who pretends to be a wonk or have real policy knowledgeh one of them is enlarging the problem and they want to have a comprehensive solution. it has to be comprehensive trade and immigration. if you hear comprehensive, ladies and gentlemen. you have got someone trying to run something at you. >> people can't understand why something called free trade needs 3,000 pages. lou: you and i most answer to that. it's because it's not free trade. >> 4% growth for five years if donald trump pulls it off. that's the difference between going 20 miles an hour count highway. i'm so excited. i love that speech he gave today. if he can pull it off. if he gets the staff behind them and the congress behind them. this is going to be a great period of prosperity. lou: take it to the bank it's a done deal. up next, donald trump ringing in his new administration with promises to tomorrow the washington establishment. that's not going to be a problem. he already returned power to the people in the person of president trump. >> this is your day, this is your cele

i think this is going to be a question of the wonks encongress, senator ryan who focuses on this, thinky in dealing with the white house. the question will be who has the leadership in terms of actually structuring the actual legislation. >> we have only 30 seconds but can continue this next hour. have you mapped out at all the immediate impact of the repeal of obama care and, of course, trump has already begun taking those steps with executive actions over the weekend. >> the question is when you talk about repeal of obama care, you have to think about what's the replacement. it's not true republicans don't have a replacement. they have lots of replacements. the question is which one ends up being there. there are two effects of obama care you want to think about. one is getting people on the rolls, insurance rolls, the other is keeping costs under control. in order to do the latter, what you've got to do is make people responsible on the margin for their care. if you do that and you do it appropriately, that's actually not a cost increase for the government, that's a cost decrease. th

matter if you have a political phenom like barack obama once in a generation or you have a policy wonk like hillary win, because your foundation is strong. we have not invested in the foundation of this party, and that has to be our number one commitment. that has to be our sole focus of the course of the next few years. so again, that is my idea. i ain't gonna window dress anymore. thanks, jaime. raymond, before you get started, just remember, if you have at thens, please line up microphones. the one in front of me, the other in front of allen. if you have questions, please lineup so we are not chasing folks around the room. raymond? mr. buckley: thank you. the best part of going last, i do not have to repeat everything. going tosubject i was say is no more turning over the checkbook to a presidential campaign. it is absurd that we do that every time. when you get a chance to look at my 15-point program, you will see it does not matter if you statered state or a blue or a purple state. it doesn't matter if you're a a targetedate or not state. when you look at that map of counties, i b

it can't just be clear to some policy wonk. it has to be step by step.d if they do that, i think they're going to be golden. they're going to be in great shape. steve: let's see what happens. mr. speaker, thank you very much. happy new year. >> take care. thank you. ainsley: nice to see you. thank you. heather has some breaking news for us this morning. >> i certainly do. we're following important news out of the gulf this morning. a rapidly continuing story that we're continuing to follow. right now the u.s. coast guard battling a raging oil platform fire. this is about 80 miles south of louisiana. no injuries or water pollution have been reported at this point. of course, this reminds a lot of us of the 2010 deep water horizon disaster that left 11 people dead, millions of gallons of oil spewed into the gulf before it was all over. we'll keep you posted on any developments. four more dangerous terror suspects getting out of gitmo. the detainees now headed to saudi arabia. 16 more will be released before inauguration day. the obama administration now ig

. >> tax rates are now at the level where most republicans who are tax cut enthusiasts, policy wonks,ng to spur what donald trump says it will spur. >> i'm a tax cut enthusiast, small government conservative but what dan said, right now you've got interest rates going up, is now the time to increase taxes, spend, "defense spending, infrastructure spending, basically stimulate the economy? >> you can do some of that. most people feel u.s. economy is not growing as robustly as it should, grow another half a percent, raising rates will counteract some of that. what's missing here, one word never discussed is entitlements. if you want to do something about that you have to tackle social security, medicare, medicaid. >> unfortunately donald trump said he's not going to talk about the two things that are the main drivers of debt. >> that's driving the debt. plus again, financing the current debt is going to go up. because if rates go up, we don't want the crowding out of useful domestic spending. weon't wcrowding investment. one of the areas i hope mr. trump recovers, what he said during th

paul ryan certainly excited about having a republican has president, because he's a policy wonk and het of things that he's had on the back burner done. >> senator bernie sanders, who came close to getting the democratic nomination. john mccain, another nominee who almost got there but not quite. >> you see the senators, they are here, the congress mmen, senators, the incoming cabinet, a lot of the vips, military personnel. through those doors president obama and the first lady michelle obama will be walking out together with the incoming president donald trump and incoming first lady melania trump. after their coffee, their tea, their hour session inside the white house, a private little meeting, they'll b walking out, getting into the motorcade, driving to it up to capitol hill for this moment in american history, a truly important moment that i want to reiterate what we've been pointing out, this is something that we're watching closely but the whole world will be watching as well, because the signal will be significant. >> the trump children making the walk down, we'll see them soo