however, one woman that was not supportive of women's suffrage was woodrow wilson's second wife edith wilson. she was an anti-suffragist. she did not think women should have the right to vote. she was not supportive of the 19th amendment, so she would have definitely not been a force in favor for woodrow wilson. >> of course, the other factor was the president at the time was in poor health having suffered a stroke. >> that's correct. he was. and at that period of time, carrie catt actually had to go to him at certain periods of time during ratification to enlist woodrow wilson's help with other democratic governors around the united states so they would call their legislatures into session so the ratification could move forward across the united states. she had to go and work through edith wilson to do that. at that point in time, woodrow wilson had stated publicly he was in favor of the 19th amendment, so edith wilson did not stand in the way. >> let's go to connie joining us from florida. good morning. welcome to the conversation. >> caller: good morning. thank you for taking my ca

what role did woodrow wilson play in this?ilson, when he came to the white house in 1913, was not a supporter of women's suffrage. he tried to avoid the issue as much as possible. as time went on, he did grow and change his opinion when he realized it would hurt him. it would hurt the democratic party for a long time in the future if he did not change his opinion. aliceffragists, led by or the first united states citizens to protest in front of the white house. they started in 1917. at first, woodrow wilson was lukewarm at their presence. he might tip his hat at them or politely not at them when he would exit the north gate of the white house, but things changed when the united states entered world war i. after the united states was involved in the war effort and the suffragists are made outside the white house protesting, woodrow wilson grew angry. time, heain point in ordered they be removed. the d.c. police started arresting women outside the white house. up, approximately 158 women were arrested outside the white house for

woodrow wilson told us to be impartial. but there's another thing that woodrow wilson said that i actually think is a little bit more reveelg of what's going to happen. and in that same neutrality address, he said the effect of the war upon the united states will depend on what american citizens say and do. right? so he's recognizing right from the very beginning that the government can say america is neutral, right? the government can say that we have a policy of treating both sides the same. but what the government does is only going to be one side of the story, right? what american people decide to do, that's going to really tell the tale of how america behaves in the so-called period of neutrality, right? now, what do the american people do? again, there are well-known parts of this story and lesser known parts of this story. what are some of the well-known parts? well, we know for instance that american banks lend overwhelmingly to the allied side. right? that's a pretty well known part of the story. we know that ameri

he voted for woodrow wilson in 1916, bob la follette was a republican but he voted for wilson because he believed in wilson's pledge to keep the united states out of the war. in april of 1917, woodrow wilson asked congress to declare war on germany. bob la follette was only of six united states senators to oppose that war. he was concerned that only munitions makers, profiteers would benefit from that, that the people would suffer through the loss of loved ones in the military, he was concerned that the government was not telling the people the full cost of the war. his principle concern was the suppression of civil liberties. in 1917, congress passed a bill called the espionage act. that bill didn't have anything to do with espionage. it wasn't about spying. it was about suppressing opposition to the war. newspapers could be shut down. and were shut down, as a result of that. people were jailed for their criticism of the war. and bab la follette believed that the bill of rights was not repealed because the united states was at war. and an event, on september 20th, 1917, was a critica

roosevelt was running right after woodrow wilson, woodrow wilson was a democrat and he was loyal to woodrowon he was going to run as a democrat, his fifth cousin he modeled his political career after that was teddy roosevelt. that he was a progressive. fdr was also progressive but he had a problem, he couldn't run as a republican because hoover was a republican and hoover was in the middle of an economic collapse so that was out. you couldn't run as a progressive because under woodrow wilson progressivism took a really ugly turn and stems from eugenics, which was the so-called settled science we could actually decide who gets to procreate and who didn't and that was a very ugly con. progressivism also brought us the women's right to vote so that was a good thing but it also brought us popular elections of u.s. senators and i think on balance is a bad thing because it cut the responsibility or leverage the state legislature is used to have over u.s. congress just eliminated it. so state legislators congress could pass all these laws of the state legislatures continue have to deal with and th

and he irritates woodrow wilson, that woodrow wilson has his privileges as an ambassador revoked. how timely with our current news. you don't behave, you lose your office. on his way out, belinski, he said how dare you, americans, who claim to be neutral, judge we, ottomans for how we treat r people. until you stop segregation, you have to business telling us about being violent or how to control our minorities. in order to ensure having lost his ambassadorship that he left woodrow wilson on the brink of a comple comple complete -- he was praying and singing with african-americans and talking about their plight and suffering helped him under who americans truly were despite their browbeating all over the world as purported neutrals who were also morally superior. so what we see in the case of the united states is that the question of race will already be part of this diplomatic tug-of-war, the germans will do the same. it will return. so in the united states what we get from the very beginning of the war are a lot of the same kinds of concerns that had been weighing heavily on eur

he had been a crusader for world war i and american involvement following woodrow wilson's enthusiastically when wilson declared war on germany. like so many americans, he was disillusioned with what happened after that. as the totalitarian states, eleni and hitler were becoming belligerent in europe, arthur brandenburg was one of those people who said we got burned once already, we don't want to be involved again. so he argued for a very strict neutrality act to keep the united states out of what looked like might become a european war. so, and that way, he was a leader in the fight with franklin roosevelt, as roosevelt was trying to engineer aid for great britain and for people who would become our allies against hitler. then, after the war in 1945, then didn't work came forward and said things have to change. in effect, reversed his own position and said isolation it was no longer possible for the u.s. as a global power, that we had to take leadership on the world stage or relinquish it to darker forces. by making that shift in the last months of world war ii, he pulled a lot of american

ereas 1912, woodrow wilson's administration began a policy for u.s. government employees and 1914 the wilson administration instituted the requirement that a photograph be submitted with each employment application. neweas 19 , it conveeped in york city. the convention is known as the clam delem bake to the cue clussclucks clan and whereas ranklin delano roosevelt and maintained separate dining rooms for white and black staffers. he continued the white house cor respond events on jourm is particular bans until outside pressure from black and policy in 1944, the last year of his presidency. according to the america cap jourm of public health, roosevelt banned blacks at his polio facility, black staff were forced to live in the base mant or white staff lived in a hotel and in surrounding cannotages. whereas howard smith, introduced a declaration of constitutional principles in a speech on the house floor where he attacked the 1954 on brown versus board of education which determined that seeing regrated schools and urged people to to avoid the chaos which

in terms of woodrow wilson, i don't know what to say about woodrow wilson. [laughter] he is saying some vicious things at a time when we needed moral leadership. and he did not prevent it. he tried to do so many other things for the world, but he needed to stop in his own country and tried to make changes. and i'm hoping as we go forward, we will have leaders who are willing to step forward and do that. >> i wanted to add that jefferson did not free his enslaved people. that's an important point, it was just amazing when you look at this. i do think he thought slavery was the wolf by the ears, because he wrestled with it and they made those choices. with the pandemic and it also underscores, if you look at the data, how historically african-americans and other minorities have less good health care and are more vulnerable. all of this is related. that we just forget sometimes. it is a complex story, but we have to understand it. and i have hope people are beginning to understand it in a way they never have before. >> i think that is a good, hopeful note to en

woodrow wilson was a democrat, and he was loyal to woodrow wilson, and he was going to run as a democrat. husband fifth cousin, though, he -- his fifth cousin, though, he modeled his career after him, teddy roosevelt. and fdr was also progressive, but he couldn't run as a republican because hoover was a republican, and hoover was in the middle of an economic collapse. so that was out. he he couldn't run as a progressive because under woodrow wilson, progressivism had taken a really ugly turn, and it stems from eugenics which was the so-called failed science that we could actually decide who gets to to create and who didn't. and that was a very -- procreate and that was a very ugly time. progressivism also brought us the women's right to vote, and that was a good thing, but it also brought us popular elections of u.s. senators. i think, on balance, that was a bad thing because it cut the, it cut the responsibility or the leverage the state legislatures used to have over the u.s. congress, it just eliminated it. so state legislatures, congress can pass all these laws that state legislature

work woodrow wilson comes from a entire family of ministers. most of these folks definitely feel a sense of christian mission. this is what did to the invention of new social science. disciplines like social some -- sociology, political science, economics, history, the first professional so chs merge in this -- literally creating experts. open a places like john hopkins, the ivy league's, at schools like the university of wisconsin. and michigan. university of california. those dried public research institutions alongside the kind of prestige institutions, and mobsters like hopkins and university of chicago, which are designed to create these graduate programs, like europe has. the idea is that they're going to produce not just, you know, professors like me but experts who are going to go out and solve social problems. find the efficient answer. which are a wilson has a ph.d. from hopkins, the president of princeton becomes before he becomes the president of the united states. so what is bothering them? we will review them and i think you know

it's almost regarded as a miracle, but on christmas day, 1912, woodrow wilson signs into law the federal reserve act. and glass, while most americans don't know him, is a huge figure now in american finance and american politics. a year before, nobody knew his name. an opening happens in treasury, so wilson names glass to become secretary of treasury. a virginia senator dies and the governor of virginia names glass to a term in the senate. glass is elected four more times. there he is in 1920, a united states senator. i ought to go back and say the most interesting thing about glass is he believed in fragmentation and the federal reserve reflects that. fragmented economic power. he's a senator, well respected, on the cover of time magazine a couple of times, a big figure. and like anybody else watching the country in late 1920, he notices the stock market is going up in 1927, 1928, 1929, and like any other observer he notices what's happening is money from across the country is pouring into wall street so investors can buy stock on margin. there were no federal or state limits on how muc

so many that woodrow wilson said, well, where is everybody?hen he came in for his inauguration at the train station, no one was there to greet him. was told everyone is at pennsylvania watching the suffrage parade. you could see the crowds. it was a well-publicized procession, which is what we wanted. it turned very ugly. the crowds moved in and heckled us. they beat us. they spit on us. it was terrible. many, many of us were badly injured. and as you can see in this photo, they mobbed the ambulance, so we were prevented from even getting the care we needed. i will tell you that it was very, very difficult to relive some of these photographs how difficulthow our journey was until we could reach suffrage. well, president wilson did not initially support our cause. he would not even meet with us. he said he was way too busy to bother with women or women's issues. so after our parades and demonstrations, which i know the public. were sometimes unladylike and very brave, and cates cap who ran the -- believed our tactics were too wild. i told her o

and at the inauguration of president woodrow wilson in 1913, eisenhower marched proudly with his fellow cadets in the inaugural parade. look that fall, he lined up with the military county football team, but he injured a knee and he saw his football career come to an end. he is in the center. the when president wilson traveled to west point for the academies graduation exercises in 1915, among the 164 cadets commissioned as second lieutenants in the united states army, was dwight david eisenhower. happy to be a soldier and eager to be a good one. a year later, a handsome young officer and pretty mamie was married the day he was made first lieutenant. then the united states entered world war i, hundreds of thousands of american citizens became soldiers, and dwight eisenhower played an important part in training them for roses overseas duty. a quick the two decades that followed the armistice, and the years of peacetime service. in the late thirties, eisenhower served with general mcarthur in the philippines. a time erica held military maneuvers, in the summer of 1941. but japan was poise

during world war i, woodrow wilson asserted this as a basic american right. we should not have to worry that our lives are in danger when we are traveling. now, americans say it is too dangerous. it's okay for the government to forbid that, so that if it happens, it's not our responsibility and the government doesn't have to protect people or avenge people who have been hurt in this way. again, should the united states allow american ships to go anywhere? or should they stay out of war zones? 84% say stay out of war zones. this is the opposite of the first world war. wilson had argued that american ships should be free to go wherever they want. we are a neutral country. we are not at war. we should not be in danger just because we are carrying on with trade. now, in the 1930s, this is right at the beginning of the war itself, september 1939. 84% said stay out of war zones. so there is some movement on that one point. we should we be allowed to sell arms to britain and france? but on all the other proposals, americans stayed where they were. keep the neutralit

woodrow wilson asserted this as a basic right, we shouldn't have to worry that our lives are in danger when we're traveling. now they're saying it's okay for the government to forbid that so if it happens, it's not the responsibility. the government doesn't have to protect people or avenge people who have been hurt in this way. again, should the united states allow american ships to go anywhere or should they stay out of war zones? 84%, stay out of war zones. this is the opposite of the first world war. wilson has argued that american ships should be free to go where we want. we're a neutral country. we're not at war, we should not be endangered because we're carrying on trade. in the 1930s, again, this is right at the beginning of the war itself. september 1939. 84% said, stay out of the war zones. so there's some movement on that one point. should we be allowed to sell arms to britain and france. on the other proposals, americans stayed where they were, keep the legislation, don't change it to allow these pitfalls from becoming possible pitfalls in the next war. why did americans sup

lee, over the name of the woodrow wilson school at princeton university where i studied and talked.ut christopher columbus and columbus circle, americans all of a sudden are realizing that history is actually worth fighting over. or fighting for. >> do you see this kind of questioning and re-examination and renaming as a sign of strength and confidence, not weakness and decay? >> absolutely. as a sign of strength, american infinite capacity for reinventing itself. america reinvents itself every so many years and does so with enormous success, which is -- which inspires the admiration and respect that so many have for the united states. but the last 200 years also, we go back to history again, what happened last week or two weeks ago, and whether people feel that trump's response to the pandemic has been the right one, we can argue about that. we can't argue about the enormous capacity for reinvention that america has, the enormous capacity for absorption of the best things the world has to offer and the united states transforms them and sends them back to the rest of the world. no c

by 1916 woodrow wilson does not get elected without their votes. the other thing you could see about social change is that it just takes time. there is this evolution of public opinion. what was once radical, like an hour time, game marriage or medical marijuana, or death with dignity. it takes time to acclimate the mainstream, the middle, however you want to think about it. that is what happened in this as well. >> it is a fascinating book. i encourage all of you to dig into it if you haven't already. let's thank joanna. >> thank you, judy. (applause) we have books behind the register. she is signing books. on august 18 1920, women when the right to vote with the ratification of -- to commemorate the anniversary, the national archives posted a conversation with interpreters from american historical theater portraying susan b anthony -- >> my name is dorothy and for the next hour i will be moderating our discussion with three key figures in the fight for women's right to vote. as you can see i'm celebrating by wearing my suffrage sash. i have a cen

woodrow wilson comes from an entire family of ministers. most of these folks definitely feel a sense of christian mission. this is wedded to the invention of new social science. disciplines like sociology, political science, economics, history. first professional associations emerged. they're creating expert rs right, opened at places like johns hopkins, the ivy league schools like the university of wisconsin, whoop whoop, university of california. those giant public research institutions alongside the old stalwart prestige institutions and new upstarts like hopkins and university of chicago, which are designed to create these graduate programs like europe has, and the idea is that they're going to produce not just you know, pointy headed professors like me, but experts that are going to go out and solve problems. wo woodrow wilson has a phd from johns hopkins. so what bothered him? we'll review this and i think you know what many of these things are. we can talk about a few of their motivations in e teterms of fea. fears of new capitalism

it.919, were joe wilson got -- woodrow wilson got its. -- got it. that is a hypothesis wilson's stroke, if it was that, was related to the flu, which, as we know now, some of the cardiovascular problems can lead to strokes and blood clots. you are probably thinking about sports. university of oregon football star, so many of the football starts of that era had been drafted, went off to fight in the war, and that was a big piece of that moment, there was no professional football, so college football was the main thing. the baseball season concluded and many people wanted to see football games. unlike now, they could not go. to see the game. a fair number of colleges did play. games were canceled in cities with big outbreaks, so lots of teams did not have full records. many conferences canceled, but they did play. they often played without fans, though in some cases, they played with fans wearing masks. cup was another example. draw andup ended in a that is because most of the communities in the midst of this , they were too sick to play. completed, se

woodrow wilson, even lyndon johnson was a racist and martin luther king made him give rights so we could -- that's all bull crap. it's not what america is about. >> go ahead and respond, ari. >> again, you know, as a scientist, i care less about the parties and issues, i'm looking at the data. while antifa, when you're talking about antifa, you're talking about the movement, a recent studies are talking about something between a 10 to 20, 30 people in each area or in each town, so we're talking about a very small groups that are not really koords nated effectively and so far, while they are maybe involved in some of the protests that we see, it's very difficult to argue that they are engaging in any kind of violent campaigns. they're definitely not operating in the same level that we see on the far right. organizations such as the 3% or the oath keepers who have an organization that deploying their people in areas where there's clashes. it's much more organized. you are correct, in the early 20th century, many politicians from the democratic party were members of the kkk. they were affil

i have come out of the democratic party, which in this century produced woodrow wilson, frank than roosevelt, and harry truman, and supported and sustained programs that i discussed tonight. mr. nexen comes out of the republican party. he was nominated by it. years,t of the last 25 republican leadership has opposed aid for education, medical care for the aged, development of the tennessee valley, development of natural resources. xon is anr. ni effective leader of his party. which 40 view -- point of view and which party do we want for the united states? >> watch sunday at 11:00 a.m. eastern here on american history tv. biden's record is a shameful roll call of the most catastrophic the trails and blunders in our lifetime. he has spent his entire career on the wrong side of history. hasur current president failed in his most basic duties to the nation. he has failed to protect us. he has failed to protect america. my fellow americans, that is unforgivable. >> the first presidential debate between president donald trump and former vice president joe biden is tuesday, september 29, at 9:00 eas

i come out of the democratic party, which in this century has produced woodrow wilson and harry truman. and which sustained these programs i have discussed tonight. mr. nixon comes out of the republican party. it is a fact that through most of these last 25 years, republican leadership has opposed federal aid for education, medical care for the aged, development of the tennessee valley. i think mr. nixon as an effective leader of his party. i hope he would grant me the same. question is, which point of view and which party do we want to lead the united states? >> watch the full debate this sunday here on american history tv. >> biden's record as a shameful roll call of the most catastrophic betrayals and blunders in our lifetime. he has spent his entire career on the wrong side of history. >> our current president has failed in his most basic duty to the nation. he has failed to protect us. he has failed to protect america. and, my fellow americans, that is on forgivable -- unforgivable. >> the first debate is tuesday, september 29 at 9:00 p.m. eastern. watch live coverage on c-span. w

woodrow wilson continued the committee on public information the day after world war i ended.dr relaxed his propaganda after world war ii ended. i think there are extraordinary moments that we need that sometimes upset us and the president, but there is a tradition of their going at it, these two great pillars of society, the press and the american presidency. that benefits us for the adversarial nature of the relationship. and that has to come back from the extreme in order for the body politic that we serve and for government to fly. susan: harold holzer a lincoln scholar and someone who has contributed many hours to c-span over the years, thank you for two hours on your newest book, what number was it for you? mr. holzer: 54. susan: book number called "the 54 presidents vs press." thank you for your time. mr. holzer: thank you so much for having me. >> all q&a programs are available on our website or as a at c-span.org. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] >> both chambers of congress are in session. the house returns today at noon eastern for legislativ

not have recalled, charles evans hughes even though he almost won the presidency in 1960 four woodrow wilsonhat's a story about arms control naval arms control but also regional security. yet i think there is lessons one can draw from that topics as diverse as north korea or iran. >> it's interesting to me that what the book tells me, it isn't a neat progression, you have a chapter on this doctrine or this tradition, turn the page and go to the next one. as you point out, things come in and go out and there is a constant interplay. just about every review i read in your book includes the following sentence from page 9 of your book b& "over 200 years u.s. diplomacy sought out what works even if practitioners stumbled while discovering what they could accomplish ". that's obviously a push for a fragment is in. i want to suggest i think a better or perhaps more nuanced encapsulation dwight eisenhower called it a fever pitch in the old cold war defined prudently for the long haul. jfk learn to deal pragmatically with crises. ronald reagan set ambitious goals yet was willing to negotiate Ãbreally

it's almost regarded as a miracle but on christmas day, 1912, woodrow wilson signs until all the federal reserve act. and glass, most americans don't know him, glass is a huge figure in american finance now in american politics. a year before, nobody knew his name. now he is a major figure expert on american finance and american politics. an opening happens in the secretary of jugglery, so wilson names glass to become secretary of the treasury. a virginia senator dies and the governor of virginia names glass with a term in the senate. and glasses elected four more times. so there he is in 1920 as a united states senator. i ought to go back and say most interesting thing about glass i thought is he didn't believe in regulation, the federal reserve believes in fragmentation. the federal reserve act reflects that fragmentation. instead of one central bank, all of germany, he has 12 regional reserve banks. again, fragment economic power. we'll glasses know senator, well respected. he's on the cover of time magazine a couple of times. he is a big figure. and glass, like anybody else watching

house has come into special session, extraordinary session, because the president that night, woodrow wilson, delivers a message to congress asking for a declaration of war against germany as the u.s. entry into world war i. when that vote is held, rankin is one of a group of about 50 members who votes against u.s. intervention in world war i. she served a term in the house. she was on the women's suffrage committee. she was on the public lands committee, which was an important assignment for a woman from montana with so much of the land being held by the federal government. it was an important position. she served only a term in the house and she tries to run for senate of montana. she does not get the republican nomination, but she runs as an independent. she gets about a fifth of the votes. then she goes back to private life and she is involved in women's rights issues. she is a driving force behind the shepherd town or maternity and infancy act. then she is also involved in international peace organizations. well, fast forward to 1940. she runs for congress again and she runs on a platfo

and it's understandable, because one of their great inte intelles a hundred years ago, woodrow wilsonally, in order for the left to talk over the country, they need to take over the courts. this is no talk about what will these justices do on the court. the only legitimate thing a justice can do on the court is follow the constitution. the reason they're fighting like hell over this is they want another radical on the court who'll advance their agenda. that's number one. now they talk about packing the senate. they want to add puerto rico and d.c., four democrats. what else? i eliminating the filibuster. they're telling us what they want to do. push through all legislation, permanently have a majority in the senate, have a majority ideological control over the supreme court. you know what that's called where i come from? that's called fascism. that's not constitutional republicanism with checks and balances. so we cannot allow this rogue party to take over elements of our society. and one other thing, this is -- when you listen to his rhetoric, i mean, listen to the relate rubbing of

about the first southerner elected after the civil war was woodrow wilson. wilson was a progressive of economic issues but when it came to race, he was really retrograde. not only did he prepare premiere the birth of a nation which was all about black men being rapists and a ku klux klan as redeeming the south. it's pretty horrendous to watch, kind of painful if you have the time you can look at it. it caricature is the radicals, especially fattah stevens. woodrow wilson was progressive mostly and economic policy and maybe to a certain extent in international relations. he's really retro grass of when it comes to race. he's segregation in washington d.c.. he fires all black federal government officers because he doesn't want any black people in the federal government. he establishes the league of nations of course or helps establish it even though that's voted down by the u.s. congress. but he has this idea of national self-determination for everyone and the moment said is a supply to asia and he says of course. not i met only europeans. so when it comes to

woodrow wilson was a democrat and modeled his political career after teddy roosevelt. he could run as a republican because that was then and economic collapse. and that stems from eugenics which is the science we could decide who gets to procreate and who doesn't want - - who didn't. but also brought us popular elections of us senators. with the responsibility that the legislature she's to have and then in the old days they say that's not the case anymore right in the middle of prosperous times if you could imagine. and wilson was a progressive and they ran against each other with competing progressive agendas from different parties. even though he was a party candidate but fdr did something very necessary that put out the agenda. but the word liberal and liberalism had been associated as a conservative test we would identify ourselves as classic liberals in the pre- roosevelt sense but if you just call it liberal then it stuck in those are the monikers of the political philosophies in our country ever since. and i would argue what's happening now trump call themselves

next up of this league of the founding fathers washington and jefferson they were slave owners woodrow wilson retrograde views on blacks f.d.r. japanese americans and we're not in it winston churchill's pearl in a box. exactly so you know winston churchill who was a been an icon icon and it might show europe and united states for since his death more than 50 years ago is now a reviled figure because he's an impure so everything else that he has done you know what i'm leader of the get forgotten is just an impaired but one we know that this is a fraud is that if you really want to oppose imperialism if you really want to oppose. powerful rich powerful countries excerpting their will on weak countries which are none european nonwhite than oppose what the united states the united kingdom and france the imperial powers are doing to syria right now i mean there are there conflicting there was brutal horrific sanctions and causing the misery that oppose what they did in libya destroyed a perfectly well dublin state for god knows what reason and it's and now they did this is a country in which they

wrote us woodrow wilson retrograde views on blacks f.d.r. japanese americans and the with martin in winston churchill's pearl in a box they can i do not go exactly so you know winston churchill who was a been an icon icon and that much you know europe and united states for us since his death more than 50 years ago is now a reviled figure because he's an impure so everything else that he has done that you know his wartime leader of that gets forgotten is just an imperatives but one we know that this is a fraud is that if you really want to oppose imperialism if you really want to oppose. powerful rich powerful countries exciting their will on weak countries which are none european nonwhite than oppose what the united states the united kingdom and france the imperial powers are doing to syria right now i mean there are there conflicting there was brutal horrific sanctions and causing the misery that oppose what they did in libya destroyed a perfectly well dublin state for god knows what reason and it's and now they've had this is a country in