bob woodward, what do we now know that we didn't know report? reported exclusive details over the weekend in "the washington post"? >> well, we know that this was a ten-year hunt that was very frustrating for everyone, at the highest level and at the operational level. but what i think in a way, in the intelligence world that's a triumph of middle management in the culture of persistence of for years taking this raw intercepts, you know, translating, listening, going back, connecting the dots, and then finally discovering and finding someone calling the chief courier for bin laden, who literally had to leave that compound and drive 90 minutes before he could put the battery in his cell phone -- operational security -- and then they found out about that and they said, ah hah, this is the guy we've been chasing for years. >> this guy was not hiding in a cave, and now intelligence officials are telling us, no, he was still operationally in control. what does that mean? >> well, we're going to find out more about that. i'm a little skeptical. i don'

bob woodward, presidential historian, doris kearn goodwin. and political strategist, mike murphy. >> from nbc news in washington, "meet the press" with david gregory. >> good morning. the raid on the compound in abbottab abbottabad, pakistan, provided a treasure troef of data, showing that bin laden had remained highly active in directing al-qaeda in the decade since 9/11. among some of the items released yesterday afternoon, five videotapes, never before seen images of bin laden, giving practices to the american people, and one showed a bearded bin laden huddled under a blanket flipping through what appeared to be news footage of himself on television. the audiotapes were not released to the u.s., so as not to spread any more to america. tom donald. good to see you. >> thank you. good to be here. >> from this raid, we referenced the videos just a moment ago. >> a couple points on that. first of all, as you know, the forces, when they went in sunday night, obviously took out osama bin laden but also gathered up all the material they could for

if we're lucky, this coming months and years bob woodward will let us in.for these reasons we couldn't fathom a more important person to lead off this critical discussion on how press freedom is being threatened and transformed by technology. it's my great honor to introduce bob woodward. [applause] >> thank you. it's nice to be here. is this picking up? okay, great. they said i'm supposed to talk 20 minutes, i'm going to talk less than 15. and sheila's promised to give me the hook and stand up. i just want to make a kind of few random observations about the media and the press and what's going on and be then the context of the truly astonishing story of the killing of osama bin laden. the handbook that was handed out for this gathering said the following: digital media tools have fundamentally changed the nature of reporting and the meaning of transparency. no. [laughter] i disagree. i disagree strongly. i think that the digital media tools have supplement inside a very significant way -- supplemented in a very significant way how we do our job. this handb

. >> woodward gardens. >> it is a really cool restaurant just to say hey, we can send out emails to people who buy tickets to support business, which is not the same as what you're talking about but they are immediate neighbors. >> ok. it is a challenging neighborhood. good luck to you. >> yeah. >> i have one question and two comments. the only question is that i guess where they talked about parking, you answered in meters. >> there is a kind of an abundant of meter parking. >> oh, is that what you meant? i thought you meant meters instead of feet. i misunderstood. my comment was going to be, you know, i think that -- i think that it is a great idea that you're opening up there with the coming of public works. that neighborhood is changing. when you get in early on the change, it is good for the neighborhood, it is going to be good for you. my other comment is i've watched you grow in other venues whether it was the justice league or new parish. although there have been a lot of failed venues in that space, i know you can make that work. you don't put aufl of your eggs in one -- all of yo

we start off with remarks from bob woodward.joined by a journalist from russia, morocco, and pakistan. this is one hour, 25 minutes. >> welcome and good afternoon. i work for the united states department of state, a crowd sponsor. 40 years since bob woodward redefine the balance of power between press and state breaking a story that will lead to the resignation of a u.s. president. ness shows fearless niec that press freedom is an essential part in a modern democracy. his work has demonstrated that threats to freedom of the press, not just from thugs in russia were dictators across africa but even from the corridors of the white house. together they had to do to witnesses -- they interviewed witnesses. you do not need to look hard to see his influence on his life and career. his book is now hard at work. he is only one of the thousands of journalists worldwide and has been shaped by bob woodward. in an age when blogger posts and treating is ascendant, his steady stream of headline grabbing, page churning accounts of the most cha

woodward, decided that they would debunk washington as being representative of the old ways. they were quite cynical about it. bunk, their stories about where that originated from, it was popular in the 1920s, it was associated with henry ford and how he liked to say bunk to mean "nonsense." well, w.a. woodward and rupert hughes said, well, they looked at troops being deloused in world war i, and they said if troops can be deloused, washington can be debunked. [laughter] that's where the word "debunked" comes from. that's where it started. and they didn't just try to destroy the washington myths, they tore washington down to the gutter. they claimed that he was a gin-swilling, cigar-smoking, champion curser who had deformed hands and was incredibly ugly. he looked like an ape, and he pawed at any woman who came his way, and they were always jilting him. that he blundered his way through the revolutionary war, all of this stuff got completely out of, out of control. and the reaction was washington was torn down so far, and they were so successful in tearing him down that ameri

bark one of them was called a sure cannot play with it and it was also thought to be a charm that woodward of evil spirits those bark is the countless layer of a bitch tree the northern people spend all their lives surrounded by things made of bush bark the engine karelians even their weak people rolling them in layers of the bark. one of the oldest villages in karelia is called softball it is on the bank of the softening the river the waterway links to lakes it is famous for the fact that it is constantly changing flow. younger rivers links to large lakes but this place is unique because the river changes direction when it fills one of the lakes the water flows into the other when one has failed capacity is flows back into the first lake. where. even in the twenty first century when many villages have tap water locals prefer to take it from rivers for their daily needs just as their fairy tale ancestors from the color of our folk are picked it when the rivers are covered with ice and winter people make holes in it with the next the water of karelian lakes and rivers is so clean it is safe

be trusted with the wheel to america's were machine in an interview last year with journalist bob woodward president obama perhaps without realizing its application to himself so. war is hell and once the dogs of war on leashed you don't know where it's going to lead. and tragically right now our congress in a republican led effort but with very little resistance from democrats is doing everything it can to prevent the dogs of war from ever coming back home that's a big picture first and i for more information on the stories we covered you can visit our web sites at tom harkin dot com and r t dot com also check out our youtube pages of youtube dot com slash the big picture i'd see that you tube dot com slash tom parker and this entire show is available as a free podcast on i tunes and don't forget democracy begins with you when you show up when you participate tag you're it.

these types of things people are being made and employed same is no money why is money always found woodward why is it the nuclear weapons. in afghanistan could also. be justified and i think. very strongly that the majority of people agree with us on this is a. fairly small minority now supporting the government in its minutes. in its intervention in libya and the majority are not in support of that and i that doesn't surprise me at all because i think particularly since what's what happened in iraq and the government should manikins over that dishonesty about our war aims i think people are now much more critical and much more. to make their own assessment of these things and of course with the development of the internet a lot of information is there for people to arrive at their own judgement on balance the british people in their majority arrive at the judgment for peace. thank you very much thank you. if. morning's today violence is once again flared up. these are the images kobolds been seeing from the streets of canada. shine corporations are on the day. really you believe this in so

we begin with remarks a "washington post" reporter bob woodward.e is joined by journalists representing russia, pakistan and al-jazeera. it's about an hour and a half. >> welcome and good afternoon. i'm suzanne nossell, deputy assistant secretary the state. i work for the united states the united states department of state, a proud sponsor of world press freedom day. it's almost 40 years of woodward to find the balance of power between the press and the state breaking a story that would lead to the resignation of a u.s. president. his dogged fearlessness and unimpeachable credibility has set a standard that is help show the world that press freedom is an essential part of even the best system of checks and balances in a modern democracy. his work has also demonstrated threats of freedom of the press come not just from thugs in russia or dictators across africa, but even from the quarters of the white house. we all know his storied career and a tangible way he shaped the history of press freedom. but bob has also transformed lives. i had the honor o

what should be called upon freedom struggle from occupation by foreign forces it's trouble today woodward in the eighty's when we were occupying them it's true that they're now involved in against the american occupation force so that struggle is an ongoing one and it's not good to end the american unfortunately the way they have conducted their operations and product on have alienated themselves when they came in in two thousand and one is they had conducted themselves as if they were saviors of august the oregon people would have welcomed them would have volunteered them but they didn't and today the situation on the ground is that they're fed up with the americans they want about so that's not going to change now your second part of your question which relates to al qaeda the al qaeda presence in afghanistan has reduced to a bare minimum there are perhaps about ten or twelve people there this still hiding out in the caves of tora bora the last that i ever heard of anything happening with al qaeda with when we carried out the operation it would be just on the total you will be destroyed

being worked out as we hear on the show just want to give judge john king today's plimer of hope woodward he's aware of the backhanded methods the right even is using to make money off of those blogs that are merely trying to spark an open conversation about current events along all about protecting new sources protecting their work i doubt that these targeted blogs are purposefully maliciously attempting to steal anybody's material sadly i think right haven knew it too they just wanted to make a buck off of bloggers regardless so we hear on the show want to thank judge john mccain for giving us a glimmer of hope in today's often gloomy society of greed and corruption. now fox news claims that to be fair and balanced that slogan was pretty laughable not only is the network explicitly right wing but you could even say that it's an arm of the g.o.p. just look at all the potential republican candidates and it's employed from sarah palin and mike huckabee to rick santorum and newt gingrich has the channel running to a little trouble for fox news chairman roger ailes all the network is beating

also, bob woodward will join us, he's has exclusive details about what is going on, the decisions thatrobin?ere made inside the >> yes, diane. again, ground zero where the twin towers once stood. corner of chuj street. right now, it says win across church street. someone scaled the pole. across the way, u.s., winning. people have put flowers. newspapers that are out. flags are out. a real sense of jubilation, to tell you the truth. throughout the morning. we'll have more reaction from here. we're going to go to nick schifrin in pakistan. we have been showing you the pictures from inside the compound. nick has more on that, nick? >> reporter: robin, that compound is about 1,000 feet behind me down that alley. it's a big compound the five or six time bigger than anything around it. walls that are 12 to 16 feet tall. barbed wire on top of that. the first room on the left, covered in blood. multiple people died or were wounded there. there are computers whose hard drive have been taken away. blood up the stairs. some kind of fight. on the second floor, another room that is ransacked. more

just doesn't really care about breaking all those promises but if you think about it you know bob woodward how many books as you've written lately that are entirely made up of these secrets we've seen. many officials also that are high positions that leak secrets to newspapers we haven't even seen anybody really prosecute or you know put to trial for leaking the n.s.a. wiretapping story with the new york times so why would they do this to drake there's a standard clearly making an example of him in fact the one person who did it in it to leaking to the new york times and to being one of their sources tom tim has been has been clear they're not going to prosecute him so the only person to be prosecuted out of that is still ongoing five years long multimillion dollar investigation that has eaten up five prosecutors and twenty five f.b.i. agents one person tom drake and i think that's another reason they feel like they need to bring home a scalp to show for all of their work and he is a case where they don't have to actually go after the reporter and therefore they don't have to pick a fight

bob woodward has written a lot of books. do you take them for lunch or do you just -- [laughter] >> how do you maintain such accident relations with high government officials and especially write things that are so critical. >> so, how do you maintain those authoritarian government, and one last question. when she we expect to have full story about mohammed? thank you. spent i just have the luxury of time so i just talked to avoid to get documentation, contemporaneous notes, then go back and sift through it. and the goal, probably never met, is neutral inquiry. i'm not carrying water for one party or one group of people. and they may not like somebody coming in doing, you know, discussing obama's wars or bush's wars, or whatever. but you get to a certain point where you've got so much information. and i think the power here is the information, the details on last wednesday, you met and had this discussion so-and-so said, you know, let's launch the operation poppy take over the invasion of mexico. that's only hypothetical by

. >> when you look at your work and bob woodward's work, there seems to be a personal quality to thatsion. it doesn't seem to be institutional and traditional. it does seem to be rumsfeld personality-based and others. is that more typical that what we seem to be seeing in the obama administration what is a group of people who seem to get along and respect each other? >> i think so. you always see institutional frictions, but i think they got very personal in the bush administration. there's a calmness about this group that reflects the coolness at the center of the administration in kind of president obama's reflective rather detached approach to events. >> tom ricks with foreign policy magazine. thank you very much for joining us tonight, tom. >> you're welcome. >> in tonight's rewrite, what more does president obama have to do to disprove the republican lie that democrats are soft on defense? also, the terror threat. with bin laden gone, how powerful will al qaeda be? >>> tonight in spotlight, what does the death of osama bin laden do to the current threat level? today, former presi

you know, the best reporter in america, whether it's bob woodward or brenda starr can't make people talkwe don't have a magic possession. we don't have subpoena power. if people aren't going to talk, you run into a stone wall. every credible tip we pursued as far as we could and at a certain point when you can't prove something, you've got to stop and you go off and do other things like the bell scandal. >> the power of persuasion. mark barabak, thanks for joining us. >>> joining us to talk more about this, here in washington, co-author of the reliable source gossip column at "the washington post." in los angeles, sharon waxman, found founder and editor in chief of thewrap.com. the house of arnold getting the household worker pregnant, what did it add other than the sheer titilation other than for the world to show her picture on television and on the internet? >> look, she had her picture up on facebook and pictures of her son up on her facebook page. she didn't take those pictures down all day. i'm not sure if they're down now, but i know in the first couple of days when we knew what h

this weekend on american history tv on c-span3, and bradley and bob woodward on watergate and the fallout president nixon. the associate professor george mason university talks about the farm policy of president reagan and we will visit fort myer, virginia tech learn about the oldest active infantry union and its role in presidential areas -- burials. have our schedule e-mailed to you by pressing the schedule alert button. >> c-span possible local content vehicles kickoff the local city tours in st. petersburg this weekend. a look that the book industry with local booksellers. american history of bans on c- span3 from the st. petersburg museum of history. the first scheduled commercial aircraft and the hidden history of angola, indians and former slaves who fought two wars against the united states in the early 1800's. watch it on c-span2 and c-span3. >> "washington journal" continues. host: paul broun is our guest. he represents the 10th district of georgia. let me begin, congressman, telling our viewers what secretary of homeland security janet napolitano said about osama bin laden. >>

this weekend on c-span 3, ben bradlee and bob woodward of watergate and the fallout from president nixon. the assess it professor george mason university talks about the foreign policy of president reagan and will visit fort myer, va. to learn more about the army's oldest infantry unit and its role in military and president of burials. get the complete weekend schedule at c-span.org/history. or you could have a e-mailed to you. >> "washington journal" begins at the top of the hour. we will talk about medicare and later, douglas brinkley discusses the world war ii memorial on the national mall. yesterday, the senate reached an agreement on a four year extension of the expiring provisions of the anti-terrorism law known as the picture that. before the extension was passed, the chamber voted to kill a couple of amendments offered by kentucky senator rand paul. one was on gun records and this is part of the debate. mr. paul: i'm pleased today to come to the floor of the senate to talk about the patriot act. i'm pleased that we have cracked open the door that we will shed some light on the pa

i'm interviewing people from roger mudd, les moonves, bob woodward. i member to my book out in the spring of 2012 -- i am bringing my book out in the spring of 2012. host: first call, lee and connecticut. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: when are we going to learn the truth about the start of world war ii? roosevelt wanted to be a war hero like his cousin teddy, and he knew about the bombing of pearl harbor at least two weeks in advance, but he was pushing us to get into a war. also, with all the communists you had in his government, we abandoned our troops in the philippines and sent all the aid to the russians. why did we do that? host: all right, thank you, lee. doug brinkley. guest: here on memorial day weekend, we want to thank franklin roosevelt for the extraordinary job he did as commander-in-chief, picking people like george marshall to dwight eisenhower, bradley, patton, this incredible group of leaders that he surrounded himself -- military leaders he surrounded himself by. the caller is dealing in the back door to more theory,

cornelia woodward is here. >> good morrow, my lady. >> and what is steve? >> he is our good lord. >> reporter: tell me about your 10th anniversary and happy anniversary. >> thank you very much. they said it couldn't be done and we've done it. we're very excited. this year the fair is bigger and better than ever. we've managed to do a huge focus on our educational mission. we're opening with scout weekend, with boy scouts, girl scouts, a lot of badge activities and it's open to everyone. wonderful family activities filled with hands-on things to do, music and we have great new food vendor this is year. a lot of artistans, i think it will be a great day. >> reporter: and you are really transported back in time when you come into the village. and for the people that take part in this, there is a real passion? >> you know, holly, every person here is a volunteer from me on down. they come with -- they work all year long to make this transformation. so you can come back in time and really see what it was like in england. before this was jamestown, there was eliz

bob woodward in one of his books points out in his initial phase involved three hundred personnel followed quickly by thousands of conventional troops. it cost $70,000 and as i said a very short timeframe. special forces were never used before as a lead elements in united states history. just before i stop here, just to set the stage a bit, think back to october of 2001 on the nineteenth of october, twelve of these guys land in a helicopter landing zone six miles south of muddy sharif and afghanistan. they watch their counterparts, there indigenous counterparts dressed in rags. this is a ragtag army. the united states was the underdog, the insurgents in that fight outnumbered and outgunned by taliban forces. we will finish this conversation today by talking about how we did so little with so much or so much with so little and today we seem to struggle to do a lot with a whole lot more. might not be so successful. >> part of the accomplishment was we had a government who was willing to serve as our target. very clarifying effect. >> their mission was very broad. here's what it was for those

i'm interviewing people from roger mudd, les moonves, bob woodward. i member to my book out in the spring of 2012 -- i am bringing my book out in the spring of 2012. host: first call, lee and connecticut. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: when are we going to learn the truth about the start of world war ii? roosevelt wanted to be a war hero like his cousin teddy, and he knew about the bombing of pearl harbor at least two weeks in advance, but he was pushing us to get into a war. also, with all the communists you had in his government, we abandoned our troops in the philippines and sent all the aid to the russians. why did we do that? host: all right, thank you, lee. doug brinkley. guest: here on memorial day weekend, we want to thank franklin roosevelt for the extraordinary job he did as commander-in-chief, picking people like george marshall to dwight eisenhower, bradley, patton, this incredible group of leaders that he surrounded himself -- military leaders he surrounded himself by. the caller is dealing in the back door to more theory,

it's quite stunning, bob woodward in one of his books, went down, involved about 300 personnel, followed very quickly by thousands, convention troops, about $70 million. and as i said, a very short timeframe. special forces had never been used before as a lead element in any kind of deployment in the united states history. and so just before i stop here, just to set the stage of it, think back to october of 2001 and the 19th of october, 12 of these guys land, helicopter landing zone 60 miles south in northern afghanistan. the chinook takes off. they watch their counterparts, their indigenous counterparts stepped out of the gloom dressed in rags and roads, and you know, so some not wearing shoes. this is very much a ragtag army. the united states was the underdog insurgent in that fight outnumbered and outgunned by taliban forces that basically owned 90% of the country. so i think we will finish this conversation today about talking about how we did so little -- so much back in with so little. and how today we seem to struggle to do a whole lot with a whole lot more, and may not be quite

this weekend on c-span3, ben bradlee and bob woodward of watergate and the fallout over president nixona professor at george mason university talking about the foreign policy of president reagan. visiting fort myers, va., to learn about the oldest active infantry union -- unit, the old guard. get the schedule emailed to you. host: our last segment is with sheila krumholz from the center for responsive politics. she is there executive director. welcome. what is a political action committee? guest: it is a committee organized reporting to the federal election commission that supports a candidate for public office. they can receive and contribute money directly but they must disclose. host: how many times per year can day disclose? guest: monthly or quarterly. if they've disclose quarterly, they only have to do that twice. this year, we will not see anything about quarterly filings until july 31st. host: to they have to disclose how much they have given are where the money comes from host:? -- comes from? guest: both. they're very transparent. we know where the money is coming from and goi

i'm interviewing people from roger mudd, les moonves, bob woodward.to my book out in the spring of 2012 -- i am bringing my book out in the spring of 2012. host: first call, lee and connecticut. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: when are we going to learn the truth about the start of world war ii? roosevelt wanted to be a war hero like his cousin teddy, and he knew about the bombing of pearl harbor at least two weeks in advance, but he was pushing us to get into a war. also, with all the communists you had in his government, we abandoned our troops in the philippines and sent all the aid to the russians. why did we do that? host: all right, thank you, lee. doug brinkley. guest: here on memorial day weekend, we want to thank franklin roosevelt for the extraordinary job he did as commander-in-chief, picking people like george marshall to dwight eisenhower, bradley, patton, this incredible group of leaders that he surrounded himself -- military leaders he surrounded himself by. the caller is dealing in the back door to more theory, debunked

woodward. what do you do when the source has good information, but you need the documentation to back it up. for example, in argentina, public officials only talk to filmmakers or the state own media. >> well, as you attempt to get other human sources to verify it, and sometimes you have to go with the story and it involves instinct. it involves experience, but journalism is not risk-free, and anyone who thinks it's risk free should go do something else because in fact and you see particularly in your case and in all of your cases, you embrace risk. you want to be on the cutting edge, and you are suspicious about what these concentrations of power are doing, particularly and you're right to be suspicious, and, you know, so but you are living in a world of risk. as ben bradly said when you have a good story, you go home with a lump in your stomach -- [laughter] part of that is pride, but part of that is doubt. >> thank you very much. thank you to you all. thank you very much to the audience. tha

. >> this weekend \ on c-span 3, ben bradlee and robert woodward of watergate. associate professor at george mason university talks about the foreign policy of president reagan and will visit fort myer, va. to learn about the oldest active infantry unit, the old guard. get the complete we can schedule at c-span.org/history or have it e-mailed to you. >> remarks from republican presidential candidate newt gingrich at a women's bachus in new hampshire. the former house speaker talks about the 2012 presidential campaign, health care, tax reform, and immigration. this is his first visit to the state since announcing he was running for president. from the portsmouth country club in new hampshire, this is a little over one hour. >> the campaigns are beginning to take form. in less than eight months, new hampshire will hold its first in the nation presidential primary. this will help signal which candidate has the best chance to beat barack obama. and and the era of big government and expanded. the citizens of new hampshire take this leading role seriously. new hampshi

this weekend on american history television, c-span 3, bob woodward on watergate.associate professor at george mason university talks about the foreign policy of president reagan. but visiting fort myers to visit the old guard and its role in military and presidential burials. get the complete schedule atkinson c-span.org/history -- get the complete schedule at c- span.org/history. >> commencement addresses from across the country. leaders from politics, business, entertainment, offering their inside to the graduating class is of 2011. >> "washington journal" continues. henry cuellar host: henry represents the 28th district in texas. welcome. guest: thank you. host: you sit on the homeland security committee. in the news going around right now, do you think that al qaeda is weaker or stronger given the new swirling around? guest: whenever you kill the leader of an organization, it is a blow to the organization. it doesn't mean that the organization is dead, but certainly it is a blow and we have to be ready for everything. it is why our intelligence committee has b

woodward appearance question. >> hi. on debt ceiling, as you know, there are members of the house of representatives who think this is not theater. >> not -- >> not theater, the brinksmanship on the issue. >> are you using theater in a disparaging way? [laughter] >> in what way were you using it? [laughter] >> i was just giving it its appropriate context. go ahead, bob. >> to use your phrase, they're human beings and as you know they feel quite strongly about this. and the question is, what is your contingency planning that must be going on in case there is some sort of default? >> let me just say clearly the united states will never default on its obligations. this country will never put itself in a position where people believe we're not going to pay our bills. it would be a catastrophic failure of basic governance to do that. and congress will do what it has always done which is to pass the debt limit so our plan is for congress to pass a debt limit. .. >> and i am very confident they will act, but i'm also confident

we begin with remarks from "washington post" reporter bob woodward.e is joined by a journalist represent russia, pakistan and al-jazeera. >> good morning, everyone. it's a big, big treat and pleasure for me today to welcome the marine corps commandant general james amos to brookings. i'm michael o'hanlon. peterson and i would like to welcome you all. we have an opportunity here from the commandant on a number of issues that i know this crowd needs no briefing on their report, everything from the status of marine corps modernization efforts to the status of the war in afghanistan, to have various budget exercises may be going at the pentagon to the extent we can talk about those today. but i want to begin just briefly with a word of appreciation for the general. i was very fortunate to be with him and his team in afghanistan recently watching him and his outgoing sergeant interact with them rates. it was an inspirational experience to watch how these to a plotted, supported and boosted the morale of the reins and i know it went in both directions becau

. >> mike woodward. >> hi, debt ceiling. as you know, there are members of the house of representatives that think this is not theater. >> not? >> theater. the brinksmanship. >> you are using theater in a dispairingly way. >> in what were you using? >> the appropriate context. >> well, to use your phrase, they are human beings. as you know, they feel quite strongly about this. and the question is what is your contingency planning that must be going on in case there is some sort of default? >> let me just say clearly, the united states will never default on it's obligations. this country will never put itself in the position where people believe we are not going to pay our bills. it would be a catastrophe failure of basic governance to do that. and congress will do what it has always done which is to pass the debt limit. so our plan is for congress to pass the debt limit. our fallback plan is for congress to pass a debt limit. and our fallback to the fallback plan is for congress to pass a debt limit. >> as you've said, sir,