. >> there's no evidence woodward and bernstein hacked, right? am i right on that? >> they did try to break into the -- >> talking about the [everyone talking at once] >> they did try to penetrate the grand jury. >> what is that? >> bernstein and woodward tried to pen detroit the grand jury and williams got him off. >> talk action about the hacking? >> no, talking about getting to the grand jurors. >> that's more -- unlawful? >> it's equally. >> however many years later now turning the blame on woodward and burnstein. >> i'm sayings they're really after the destruction of rupert murdoch now. and by a lot of people who really don't care. >> you know, there is -- [everyone talking at once] >> hold on! >> what did you say. >> the people who don't like rupert murdoch don't like hacking into private phones, from a media baron anymore than from the -- >> that's not -- >> also the horror of a murder of a 13-year-old young girl. >> right. >> and the family was trying to reach her by her cell did hack into the phone, she was already dead but they eliminated some of the telep

"washington post" assistant managing editor bob woodward.for coming by. >> let's start with what's atop the news today. you've watch eed this stuff a lg time. how do you assess obama in this leadership role and in both parties? >> obama has a big problem. the expectation is, the stewardship role of the president, he's going to take care of everyone, and it's -- it's really potentially kind of ten days that shook the world. if they don't fix this, as you well know, the economic reverberations will be endless, perhaps. so even though the republicans have immense responsibility, the president is expected to be the leader. when there was the famous government shutdown in the '90s they blamed the republicans, but there was no real economic impact. if this is not worked out, the economic impact is going to be giant. >> and what's your gut tell you on that? briefly, are you optimistic or pessimistic as you look at the next couple of weeks? >> here thei ishthe -- you talk people in the republican party, democrat party, they all talk about public ser

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suppose woodward or bernstein. paid deep throat for the information which led to the watergate exposure do you think that that means that katharine graham should go to jail well it's not that there's not a foreign corrupt practices act but that does raise questions and in fact it's become too common united states media paying for stories ok to be so this is what i want to get you and i want to go to dave right now again you know these kind of practices are endemic in media in the english speaking world the western world ok so again you know why is this kind of moral outrage out there because you could make the claim and i'm not making it the murdoch is being turned into a scapegoat for what everybody else does including his organisation. well i would i would say that singling out news corp and singling out murdoch in particular is shortsighted. yeah i'm not going to speak to you know how many other news organizations and gauge an outright bribery and what kevin described. as a matter of law under the former foreign

." >> right over here is woodward gardens. he started collecting stuff. he invited people over and eventually opened it up to the public. he had a menagerie. >> it was an 1800 thing. >> could any of the people in this room go? >> ice skating. >> ice skating. >> you could see the remains of the pool. i thought the ice rink was made out of one of the largest pools. >> yes. you can see the ell that goes around. they tried to make it a tropical beach theme. they had a bunch of sand. like you could not go to the beach 40 feet away. >> it did burn down. it seems like it would have been a wonderful resource for the city to purchase it and rebuild it -- >> you could never afford the money to rebuild it. >> there were efforts to try to keep it. someone tried to sell it to the city in the 1950's. they kept it going with the ice skating rink. it closed and it looked bad. people thought we should buy it and keep it. other people wanted to put condos in there. a serious fire started and the whole place burn down. they still talk about it as a mysterious fire. it could

. >>> tuesday, the day of those hearings, my colleague spoke with carl bernstein, who with bob woodward, broke the story of watergate. they spoke strongly about press intrusion at the princess diana funeral. >> you had some hopes of purse reform. it did to get anywhere today? >> i had high hopes today, but not at all. i thought they would be briefed well enough to get through the questions from hampered inquisitor's because they are dealing with the backdrop of the inquiry. not many punches were landed. i don't like any great progress was made. >> was this a big moment, are things changing? >> i hope so. i am an optimist. i think if they don't change on the back of what has happened on the past few weeks, that we get a more accountable press, one that is not accused of criminal acts, i don't know when we will. >> what has been the effect over the years on you and your family? >> fairly massive, but i have chose to live abroad to get away from tabloid intrusion. this is much more a case not about people like myself who could move, but it is about people who may be rolled over by the pres

joining us now, bob woodward, subject of the note, and for the record, his sources stood the test ofthe watergate scandal. how much does all of this surprise you? >> it's interesting because this is 38 years ago, carl bernstein and i were doing this reporting for the "post" talking to people, getting lots of detail about the coverup, about illegal campaign money, dirty tricks, and it was an era when you could go to the white house and talk to dave gergen for an hour and a half and spell out what we had and say, what can you give me guidance on, what's your response? and there was no rush to print. we eventually printed all of these stories, but sometimes it would take weeks. >> you bring up an interesting point about the times and how much times have changed in terms of reporting and privacy. do you think presidents now have it easier or harder in this youtube/facebook world. >> everything is driven by the impatience and speed, and give me a sound bite and, of course, in doing this story about nixon it wasn't about sound bites, it was about real reporting and getting detail and so fo

entire outfit, when david gergen writes ominously that he received an urgent call from reporter bob woodward that "the post" was agonizing over a story that would implicate richard nixon in a cover-up. richard nixon was gone 469 days later. we have placed all of these documents and the new recordings on our website, nightly.msnbc.com. they make for some fascinating reading and listening. >>> and when we come back here tonight, the space shuttle program rolls into the history books, but what next? >>> a major chapter in america's space program came to a close early this morning as the space shuttle "atlantis" touched down for the last time. this means for american astronauts, for now the russians are now our ride into space. as you might imagine, this was a bittersweet day for the men and women who have made it all happen. nbc's tom costello reports tonight from the nbc space center. >> reporter: in a pre-dawn landing with nasa precision, "atlantis" and her crew of four returned home safely this morning. >> main gear touchdown. >> reporter: at 5:57 a.m. america officially retired its last spa

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more than others shot deflected the one to the post and to his later they hit woodward yet again this time from a free kick. then after a hundred more minutes into even more ominous as they went a man down the son thomas shared the second yellow card watch despite being a player up venezuela failed to find a winning goal and the match went to penalties they had their power to take it frankly are saying that it's one of these short easy said by the lob but dario but on made no mistake this empower guys this straight spot kick to propel a par guy through to the final that we single day in normal playing time when my face you're going in the front one is a response that. oh it does look we can be criticized because we happen to be one of the d.c. is it about whether that old it lady that you're not it's about the result was about that part and how we did it we are going to find out soon after this america van just shoot out which have a cuban who's in grade school up to now and we have police shooting at you kind of an illusion it looks like not if. you get done with that a lot of good w

thing media is held to a lower bar when it comes to obeying the law because you know we we we have woodward and bernstein you know looking for the bad guys you know interested in journalism we don't like that and we we like seeing journalists going after the bad guys and that's part of this story here but our journalists are held to a lower bar and doing their job. i think that. there's been a certain journalists being granted a degree of latitude particularly tabloid journalists because mainly the people that they are breaking the law to find out about are celebrities sportsman and so forth and there is a huge amount of public sympathy when a celebrity gets caught with his pants down so they think well if you have to hack is prone to get that story so be it it doesn't cause public outrage there isn't a political outcry i think when there are two to two distinguishing characteristics about this scandal i mean it really exploded when it was discovered that one anyway some news of the world reporters were accused of having listened in to the voice mails of a missing girl who turned out to be

the reporting of bob woodward and carl bernstein led to the watergate scandal and the downfall of president richard nixon and the paper is most well known for all of its political coverage but oh how that might be newspaper has fallen this week of those who broke a major news with the following headline michelle obama orders seventeen hundred calorie meal at shake shack can you believe now it turns out there was about a fifteen hundred calorie meal but that's not the point here this is a suppose it world class newspaper has a leader in print journalism actually put time and effort into a story about the first lady eating a burger and fries at a d.c. restaurant i'm sorry but it's just stupid but not to be outdone the next day they also ran an online poll asking is michelle obama hippocrates for loving burgers give me a break guys she ate a greasy burger it happens at the paper as a notice the first lady is in excellent shape she's got a killer body she often talks about her workout routine and the post wanted to know if it was a bad example for the first lady to be eating a burger while push

all powers of the guardian which stayed on it whose extraordinary reporter nick davis is like the woodward and bernstein of watergate while he stayed on it even when the had just gotten your he resigned just the other day came in and spoke to alan rusbridger the head of the guardian and said your reporter sullivan accuracies never say never would public revulsion erupts it can change even moving a man and a mole who has no scruples reckless irresponsible journalists rupert murdoch can be pushed aside and i think that is where citizen power people power can overtake. the ugliest the most corrosive of those who are deformed or markers what do you think because the last three journal i wrote an unsigned are bad this week and that's been gaining a lot of heat where they attack a number of other media organizations including the new york times and pro publica and the guardian but they say this candle and those who have jumped on it and been so happy to jump on it are acting as if every single journalist that works for news corp has now been tainted do you think that that's a fair assessment sho

writer said well and it's pretty much it's pretty much common knowledge that whenever we get into woodward always last longer than we're told it's going to really we were involved in the second world war the largest conflict on the planet in america in human history for four years well irony there. and recent history for some reason i will say that is the way to go on and on and on and on but i'll see if the voters actually remember it when they go to the polls and somehow i'm not so sure about that michel staying in the legislative change thanks for having me all right still to come tonight we have a you said it i read it on a comment that you've left on line about the stories that we cover here on the show and then going green therefore by the u.n. determines how much it would cost for the world that he come and environmentally friendly but it's really realistic only that but that is the moment.

in a few moments, i will be speaking to bob woodward. all the discussion tonight has been about the end of an era. another end of tomorrow. if all goes according to morrow, the space shuttle atlantis will go off. it is the last a shuttle launch ever. we are talking to the teams that want to take over including one that signing the deal to use the kennedy facilities. the plan to open it up to everyone not just astronauts appeared what could be the next chapter for human space flight? ♪ >> by tomorrow morning, this beach will be packed as it has been for every significant launch. this is the beach in florida, the closest to the kennedy space center in the launch pad of these benishek. this has been everything from the first american into space to the apollo mission that put our shahram on the moon. and of course, every shuttle launch. -- that put neil armstrong on the moon. and of course, every shuttle launch. it is really a delivery van, a way of getting stuck up to the space station. four people were aspire, and they think of the moon la

karl woodward and enter stein helped expose water break in.at with an inside source named deep throat. >> go on the record. but if he would, we know he would implicate chapman. and that would put you inside the house. white house. how high up? >> you are going to have to find that out for yourself. >> bill: in 2005 a man named mark felt came forward and identified himself as deep throat. what was his position during the watergate scandal? answer is b. following back into bad habits. baylor. >> baylor. that's important. >> bill: doocy up one. three to go. bernie madoff. hate him. operated the largest ponzi scheme in history. defaulting now, madoff snader hollywood types steven spielberg and which actor charlie sheen, kevin bacon. harrison ford tom cruise. who invested with madoff. cards up, please. the answer is roll the tape. >> assume the position. >> thank you, sir, may i have another? [ laughter ] >> what a great moment for kevin bacon? was that him? >> smells like bacon to me. >> oh. [ laughter ] >> no. >> bill: steve doocy everyone. doocy

. >> host: carol woodward tweets in to you, linda hogan, linda, how are your works received by your nation'seople? any feedback from your fellow citizens? >> guest: well, to tell you the truth, um, chickasaws are, the chickasaw people i work with are really happy to have me there, and, um, the governor brought me home, he asked what he had to do to bring me in. and so the governor of the nation. the chickasaw nation. and so i said, well, do you need a writer in residence, and he said, yes, and so i changed jobs pretty quickly. and, um, so i will say that probably the majority of people haven't really read my booksment but -- books, but still are happy to have me around doing the things i'm doing and working on, um, our own histories and our own, you know, our own projects. >> host: what does being a pulitzer finalist do to book sales? >> guest: nothing. >> host: nothing? >> guest: nothing. no. i'm a mid-list writer, and my book sales are pretty low even though i'm really read, i'm more -- i'm read more in other countries. >> host: you sell more books in if other countries? >> >> guest: uh-hu

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. >> as soon as one starts to talk, like a bob woodward novel. one or two. >> and the cat's out of the bag. sometimes jurors want to correct something other jurors, that unity kind of dissolves. a little bit. >> but i would just ask people, to, please, respect the jurors and the process, as some people have been saying on twitter today. we weren't in the jury room. most of us weren't even in the courtroom. and so while it is easy to criticize their verdict, we have to respect what they've been through. this has been an intensely difficult process for them. they have to live with this verdict for the rest of their lives. much more so than any of us do. so to threaten or question their verdict, even, i think is terribly unfair. >> just about one minute left. take us to the big picture between the don 'nique strauss-kahn case, and everyone jumped to judgment about a character, unsavory, but may not be guilty of what he was charged with. is there a bigger constitutional lesson in this, savannah, about the presumption of innocence a day after july 4th

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piloting skills for his proud bride and got to see the couple unleash competitive streaks and bob woodward reports this morning from yellowknife, canada. ♪ >> reporter: royal tours are highly scripted affairs. every handshake, every outfit, every moment planned to the finest detail which is why this is causing such a stir. it wasn't much, a responsibspon very brief embrace but this was a highly unusual public display of affection. >> prince william is going to do things his way and, you know, they both say, this is how we do it. that's how you did it then but we're doing it different now. >> reporter: the royal squeeze came moments after prince william and kate competed head to head in a dragon boat race on the lake. at first it looked like kate's team might win. but will's boat crossed first, which seemed to disappoint many watching from shore. >> she's beautiful. she's athletic. >> yeah. >> she seems very nice. >> yeah. >> like one of us. >> reporter: throughout the first five days of this trip the crowds and the cameras have been focused almost entirely on kate. what she wears is big ne