bernstein and woodward took down these giants right? so to say oh, well, here's these complex ways in which this worked is a lot, you know requires more depth that requires more investigation on the part of people resharing the story and teaching people so to simplify it. to its like most basic parts. it's easier to reshare and keep you know propelling this myth. than to dig into it and try to figure out the ins and outs and all the all the many details fair enough fair enough why does this live on why does this myth live on what do you think are the reasons why? i'll offer three reasons. but before i do any thoughts any thoughts as to why this myth lives on. even please. i think people just really like heroes. i mean, i think we see it all the time like with other news stories that maybe like i guess less explosive but like with the covid pandemic we saw like i mean half the country was like worshiping anthony fauci for like a year, like people just really like having someone to like attached to and like someone to portray as their her

woodward himself had this to say. if perhaps in earthier terms, but in fact, the press did not bring down nixon. and michael get lure, the ombudsman, who i mentioned a moment ago, had this to say in 2005. ultimately, it was not the post but the fbi of congress, acting in bipartisan fashion and the courts that brought down the nixon administration. indeed, to roll up the scandal of watergate would require the coordinated efforts of special prosecutors, federal judges, fbi, both houses of congress, the supreme court, and the justice department. and even then, even then nixon would have survived the scandal. he would have walked if not for the secret tapes that he had made of many of his conversations in 1971 to 1973. inside the white house, and in his office in his old executive office, nixon had this surreptitious taping system put in place. the existence of those tapes was disclosed in july 1973, during hearings of a senate select committee on watergate. this was a pivotal moment in the investigation of watergate. if

woodward helped to, there was a little bit of circumvention on woodward's part. he said at one point, deep throat was knots an intelligence community and washington. the fbi, most people would like into the intelligence community in washington d.c.. it would be unfair to disregard some of the most important stories of the washington post produced during the watergate scandal. they were the first to identify a security official, security coordinator for the committee to reelect the president has been among the watergate burglars. it's a great linkage for those burglars, those third rate burglary and to nixon's reelection campaign. they linked contributions to nixon's reelection campaign and reagan. some of the money, the contributions made to the campaign, were used to help fund the breakdown of democratic national headquarters. another important linkage. then they tied the legs of johnny mitchell who was a former attorney general, a former u.s. attorney general, and the nixon campaign, a campaign manager, to operations against the democrats. important stories. al

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bob woodward and carl bernstein. they obviously need no introduction. they've been rather well exposed recently. to go over the history but we are thrilled to have them here today and i want to say both our longtime friends of mine and so for me it's a double pleasure to have both of you so gentlemen, welcome and thank you . >> one other note, remember you can if you want to hear from those of you in the audience you can tweet to washington post live and if we can we will try to get to some of the questions. so i want to start by reading something and then get you to respond to it. bernstein looked across the newsroom. he thought woodward was a prima donna. yale, a veteran of the navy officer corps. lawns, greens word, state rooms and class tennis courts. but probably not enough pavement for him to be good at investigative reporting. bernstein thought woodward's rise, rapid rise of the post and less to do with his ability and his establishment credentials. woodward new bernstein occasionally wrote about rock music and that figured. bernstein looked like

he thought woodward was a prima donna. yale, a veteran of the navy, officer corps, lawns, state rooms, grass tennis courts, bernstein gassed. probably not enough pavement for him to be good at investigative reporting. bernstein thought that woodward's rise, his rapid rise of the post, i last to do with his ability than his establishment credentials. woodward knew that bernstein occasionally wrote about rock music. that figured. bernstein looked like one of those countercultural journalists that woodward despised. >> [laughs] taken from the pages of thebook all the presidents men that you wrote. carl, let's start with you. what made this journalistic ma >> all right, so this was taken from the pages of the book that he wrote, all the presidents men. carl, let's start with you -- what made this journalistic marriage work? >> almost immediately, i think each of us came to recognize that the other brought to the story experience in different areas of life. i had worked for 12 years in the newspaper business. i started when i w

all . >> and bob woodward wasn't bob woodward either. bob woodward is the kid is just beginning to learn the craft. the serendipity of that. i want to take you to something you right at the start of the book which is will talk about the book and how it came and then start delving into the story itself but early on in the introduction garrett says this. watergate represents much more than an individual moment decision event or target. it has sony pass that there is no simple motive or story to tell. no single thread that makes all the pieces come together. , yone who's done journalism that's a striking thing to say. in 2020, probably more than ever we're all taught find a narrative. find the line through the story, find the art which gives the reader or the viewer and if you're writing the pilot for your netflix drama series'for your writing a piece of investigative journalism you have to think what's the line. once the top line, take me through it and you begin this book as a project with exactly theopposite view . >> and that is in some

i mean, i've talked to woodward particularly woodward often about watergate and i investigated this whole question mark phil mark felt, you know, the question of who was deep throat. i mean that all comes out in this book, you know, but i didn't really need to talk to people 40 years 50 years after the event because the you know, i had enough problem listening to all these tapes and dealing with i mean the contemporaneous material is so rich. that it's and it's much more valuable and much more authentic than people's memories 50 years later. so if you want to read a would get woodward's perspective on something he's written lots of books and you can go and buy his books. i didn't feel the need to you know, it's not nick's woodward's story plus. you know this unraveling of the presidency. i'm i think you know all the president's men has created kind of distorted version of the journalists bringing down the president and the journalist certainly played a role and the washington post played a role and woodward and bernstein played role, but it was only one role that were other people. there

and i called woodward.his world is a guy named kenneth dahlberg, and we need to find him really fast. and woodward found him. and indeed, dahlberg, who worked at the committee for the re-election of the president, told him that night that he had given the check to the chief finance officer of the nixon re-election campaign, and then it had gone into the bank account of one of the watergate burglars. and this was the key connection between the committee for re-election of the president and the higher ups in the nixon campaign. >> "the washington post" has discovered the $25,000 in political contributions to president nixon's campaign somehow turned up in a florida bank account. >> over the summer, there was a number of newspaper stories about all different kinds of things going on at the committee to re-elect the president. and that's how the house banking committee got involved. >> so the watergate break-in took place in june. the election would be in november. the only serious investigation aside from the

he didn't start out leaking to bob woodward. he started out leaking to the washington daily news, which was the cross town rival. bird yeah who just so happens to coincidentally go out of business in july of 1972 three weeks after the watergate burglary and so sort of but for this it's entirely possible that mark felt would have never bothered leaking to woodward and bernstein at all. yeah. and bob would wasn't bob woodward either. i mean, but would the kid. who's just beginning and just beginning to learn the craft and it's another serendipity of that very striking. i want to take you to something you write at the start of the book, which is because we'll talk a bit about the book and how it came and then we'll start delving into the story it tells but early on um in the introduction garrett. says this watergate represents much more than an individual moment decision event or target. it has so many parts that there is no simple motif or story to tell no single thread that makes all the pieces come together. now anyone who's don

woodward has lost the narrative in his place in it. he went from too far left.long the way the unterman aerial reporter became a lobbyist for liberals. but you're supposed to hold the powerful accountable with facts, bob, not bully them into submission to show your own power, your own gravitas. speaking of january 6 this derricks, we're learning exclusively about what's going on inside the fbi. whistle-blowers have full congressman jim jordan that the agency is in full-blown retaliation mode, referring to what's going on as a purge of agency employees who hold conservative views. one employee reportedly had a security clearance taken away and then he was indefinitely suspended from his duty and got his pay taken away for disagreeing with the january 6th narrative. jim jordan, ranking member of the house judiciary committee, joins me now. congressman, this specific fbi employer mentioned, what can you tell us more about him or her? >> decorated iraqi war veteran being run out of the fbi, his allegiance to the country is being questioned because he had the gall to

john dean, bob woodward, carl bernstein, thank you.'t forgot carl's latest book, "chasing history, a kid in the news room is available now. "the. >> and the all new original series, "watergate blueprint for a scandal" premiers at the top of the hour only on cnn. we'll be right back. and economic adjustment chargrges. but there is a solution.n. right now, when you switch your famamily to t-mobile magenta max you can get up to a $1000 dollars and you'll get t-mobile's pricelock guarantee. they won't raise the rates of your rate plan ever. because you are entitled to more. if you've been impacted, act now. you may be eligible to recieve up to a $1000 dollars from t-mobile. and you should listen to me. i'm a british actor. with angi, you can connect with and see ratings and reviews. and when you book and pay throug you're covered by our happiness check out angi.com today. angi... and done. get ready - our most popular battery is even more powerful. the stronger, lasts-longer energizer max. ♪ ♪ 100 years ago, a beautiful empire built on bla

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woodward has lost the narrativee and his place in it. he went from deep throat to far left somewhere along the way, the entrepreneurial reporter became a lobbyist for liberals but sought to hold a powerful accountable with facts bob , not bully them into submission to show your own power, your own gravitas and think of january six hysterics we're learning exclusively tonight about what's going on inside the fbi. .ell, whistleblowers have told congressman jim jordan that the agency is in full blown retaliation mode, referring to what's going on asoi a purge of agency employees who hold conservativeve views. one employee reportedly hadad a security clearance taken awaya and then he was indefinitely suspended from his duty and got his pay taken away for disagreeing with their january six narrative. ohio congressman jim jordan, ranking member of the housenarr judiciary committee joins meow now. congressman, now this specific fbi employee i mentioned. yeah, what can you tell us more about him or her decorated iraqi war veteran being run out ?

with us to talk about the past and the future, carl bernstein and bob woodward.ming out with a 50 some of the -- 50th edition. you've never been on this program with both of you. it's been 50 years, what is the enduring journalistic lesson from watergate that everyone needs to remember? >> that ownership matters. catherine graham, the publisher and owner of "the washington post" during watergate had all the backbone in the world and stood by us. she also was a very tough woman. after nixon resigned, she wrote us a personal letter -- not on stationary, but on yellow legal tablet, i think carl has the original, dear colin and bob, now nixon has resigned. i will quote her -- don't start thinking too highly of yourselves. you did some of the stories fine, but i want to give you some advice. the advice is -- beware the demon pompousity. good advise for all of us in journalism, wall street, politics, you name it, be ware of the demon pompocity. >> the best truth is really the objective. it's a simple phrase, a difficult concept that involves perseverance, being a good

woodward and mr. bernstein had pretty much locked up the critical sources before the other national publications really became interested. there was a lot of things going on in the environment, there was unprecedented spying by the government against vietnam war protesters and there was the growth of executive privilege. i don't want to get too broad with these questions but watergate did not totally come out of the blue. >> while the story is you probably will want to add more to this. i will briefly say that it was clear that the president reacted with great horror to the pentagon papers, he tried to stop their publication he went to the supreme court, that played a role at the beginning of the stone running down the hill. in terms of robin carl, they did not lock up any sources they went around knocking on doors and making phone calls and doing things that no other reporter were doing because they did not see anything there. the national post was hostile to our reporting for a long time because the

judy: bob woodward. carl bernstein.watergate 50 years ago and who are here to watch what we are witnessing in 2022. thank you both. >> thanks. >> thanks, judy. ♪ judy: and we will be back shortly with some of the messages commencement speakers shared with this year's graduates, but first take a moment to hear from your local pbs station, a chance to offer j, and that means politicians, actors, and athletes, and even some from the "pbs newshour" have been giving commencement speeches, hoping to impart advice to college graduates as they head into their next chapter. >> yr class is the toughest plaster have ever graduated college in recent history. you started out when the pandemic began, survived covid, hurricanes, lockdown, online classes, vaccines, omicron peered you have been through so much and have come out stronger for the experience and now you are here, graduating, and more than ready to face the real rld because you already have. >> i heard a saying once it if you do what you love, you will never work at day in

woodward and bernstein were the most bres sif reporters.that journalism has its own limit bens the president. a president pulpit is much more powerful, anyone knew once fair. >> they were attack almost evidence. >> they would try to make our conduct to the wear gate rat than the conduct of the rent. >> using no windows. >> third person says "unsubstantial eed kaurss. kths the post giving you the experience of the direct connection between the house and watergate. >> when somebody denies something that was true. it was a stimulus to us to keep working on the story, no matter how the criticism -- criticism -- denonization was. >> it paid for under cover operations against the democrats. >> there were five people who cold the funds. finally, we get to the finite that nixon can't campaign his. so we decide we are going to do a story on this. mitchell answered the phone and i said mr. attorney general, i have a story i would like to read you, it is in the next day newspaper and get your response. >> started to read, attorney general of the unite

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and, bob woodward put his nose right on it.section 371 of the criminal code, which forbids frauds against the united states, and this was -- it showed deceit. it showed an intent to deceive, to use deceit to impair a function of the lawful function of the united states government, by the fact that trump was told repeatedly that the legal theory on which he thought he could get vice president pence to defraud electoral votes was completely bogus. let me take a step back here. this isn't the only way you can prove donald trump's criminal intent in that regard. on monday, we had the hearing where it was shown that trump was repeatedly told that all of his electoral fraud claims, the facts on the ground, were false. he was told repeatedly that he lost. he was told repeatedly that, no, dominion thing is bull as bill barr said. he was told that by multiple people, he lost 60 lawsuits, he had no reason to believe that factually he had won that election, he had won those contesting states. now, yesterday, we saw he knew, had to have kn

bob woodward is here.l ask about the nationals. our red sox keep winning. we just win. doesn't matter though. we don't have the payroll of the new york yankees. for them, it's -- i don't know. i think it's all about money. for us, it's about the love of the game. >> the kids. >> it's about the kids. it's always about the kids. if you are a red sox fan, you know. everything we do, we do for the kids. yeah, al east, what a division. >> the scrappy kids. red sox, look at that. cue the chorus, we are over .500. it took us a long time to get there. the sox surging, including with a 1-0 victory last night. i thought something was wrong with my phone. look at this. they may be in fourth place in the division, but if the season ended today, they would be in the playoff as part of the new expanded system. that graphic tells another story. 11.5 games back. we have been talking all morning about inflation, about rising costs. let's start with the yankees' payroll. i believe it's $500 million now. they bought everybod

bob woodward here. you've talked about it.p supporters and everyone in that picture voted for donald trump in 2016 and probably voted for donald trump in the 2020 and yet they're the ones that are bringing damning testimony against trump and its conspiracy to take over the federal government. >> yes. it's very powerful. interesting you would raise the question about 2016. some very serious, as you know, both democrats and republicans do lots of polling, but some republican polling has asked the essential question of trump voters who voted for him in 2016, but did not in 2020, and so they dug into this and they discovered and i think the polling on these attitudes has really high credibility, and it turned out that the difference was people thought that trump from evidence watching him was demeaning people in the way he dealt with them, what he said, and demeaning his opponents and people did not like that. they are turned off. there is a trump persona that we see and understand, and i think it's working less and less. the ques

bob woodward, we should note, is the more recent author of "peril," carl bernstein the author of "chasing history," and together they wrote "the president's men." i hear those amazon links clicking from right now where i sit. bob, let me start with you. much of the former president's time in the white house, donald trump's, was about, in some ways, it seems, provoking violence. was this the first time you've heard through testimony, however, about him actually resorting to anger and violence himself? >> yes. it definitely is. i'll tell you, one of the things that struck me, if i may say in all of this testimony, it connects to john dean going back to nixon 50 years ago. cipollone, the white house counsel for trump, if you follow the testimony and other things that have come out, he's just running around the white house bursting with, don't listen to donald trump, don't do what the president says, i'm worried about this, i'm worried about that, and carl and i were speculating today with knowledge that one of the things the white house counsel does is sit in on national security council mee

with the house hearings set for next week, three of the best today, nearly 50 years ago when bob woodward and carl bernstein brugt so much of the watergate scandal to light. bob is i'm himself, associate editor of the post, remarkable account of the days surrounding january 6th, carl is out with a great memoire, his coauthor of course with bob, of "all the president's men" out next week in a 50th anniversary edition with the new forward and the relevance of watergate today, and john dean joining us, a central figure in it. he's also the central voice in the new cnn original series "watergate: blueprint for a scandal." great to have you all on the program. who would have thought during watergate you would all be here talking about this. bob, you hear the reporting from maggie haberman, is there anything that compares, you have the chief of staff and president of the united states warning that the secret, the lead secret service agent on the vice president's detail? >> what's very clear, the whole situation is potentially violent. remember, there were hang mike pence signs around there. whe

in a moment, a conversation with bob woodward and bernstein, whose reporting did more than most to makeclear that watergate was for more than the simple break-in it first appeared to be. it's worth mentioning now because contrary to the impression people might have today, knowledge about what watergate truly was in size and scope and the threat to democracy it posed did not come all at once all neatly wrapped up in a bow. it was revealed in day by day slices of the truth by bob and carl and so many others. that notion seems just as true tonight, 50 years later, when it comes to the latest assault on democracy. almost since the day capitol was attacked, so many that it's hard to keep track, and harder still to be surprised or imagine any of it changes what we think we already know. yet this week, the house january 6 committee, even as it tries to bundle up the scandal and tie a bow around it, has also delivered plenty that is new. and today promised more. listen to committee member zoe lofgren today on cnn talk about donald trump's effort to strong arm georgia secretary of state brad raf

carl woodward and bernstein with the washington post bringing watergate to life, just a short time agoes posted a report, the headline reads, navarro indicted, house recommended contempt charges against all three white house aides over stonewalling of january 6th inquiry. what do you make of the doj refusing to charge maddows and scavino? >> my initial response was these people may be working on a deal, sounds like they reviewed the evidence, reviewed the cooperation and feel it's sufficient to not bring charges. >> because he did turn over text messages. >> he turned over a lot actually and i don't know about scavino, but i think justice realizes they don't have a really strong case and isn't flagrant like it is with bannon and navarro. >> yeah. bob, we're just learning this for the first time from the times. what's your reaction. >> well, first of all, you can't tell, but what we do know is that the january 6th committee and the justice department in their own way which is much more cautious, they are relentlessly and aggressively, and i, quite believe, thoughtfully, going about tryi

you know woodward and i have used this, the best attainable version of the truth. 50 years we've used it. not saying what you know is part of it. and i think we got to deal with this differently. perhaps the story, history of the trump presidency, might be different if we had done this. >> cassidy hutchinson, to be the top aid for mark meadows in december 2020, january 2021, means you a believer in donald trump. you are loyal to donald trump. cassidy hutchinson put everything on the line today. to tell the truth. and the republican party, who is allegiance to donald trump, either is attacking her, smearing her or ignoring her. >> right. wore going to see what we've seen so many times before, which is they are going to try to take her down because that's what donald trump wants. to carl's point about public and private. even today, while they are attacking her, privately, here were the messages i got from republicans. it is worse than we ever imagined. this is not one bombshell, it's multiple. my god, he wanted to go to the capitol. again, the private verses the pub

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