he just wanted to be woody guthrie. >> woody guthrie wasn't actually woody guthrie. >> woodrow wilson i say this politely, trading with the indians is the very nicest way to say it. stealing a lovely and in the oklahoma territory before it became a state and then after it became a state. but they had a bunch of money, then the family fell apart which is a longer story i won't go into. but when guthrie went west into california and discovered the old oakies we discovered from grapes of wrath, he said i'm going to be the biggest of them all. he created a persona of this sort of ultimate oakie and people said you've really lived the life. he said nope, but i studied the life and i can give a good impersonation. people want our heroes to be authentic, so he ended up the oakie. >> it seemed he may have said that, but there was a sort of impression that he was this authentic oakie. and then bob dylan comes along and basically doubles down on it. in some ways, it seems like bob dylan in his early days was almost more of a phony is the wrong word, but more of an impersonator than even guthrie

tuesday is "grown-up anger: the connected mysteries of bob dylan, woody guthrie, and the calumet massacre of 1913". as the title suggests, it gives three tales the biographies of bob dylan, woody guthrie and the back story of the tragedy in michigan, the tragedy he puts in the context of the early labor movement in this country. the review calls this book a dazzling richly researched story, impeccably told. karen lewis says if you are not true with unions consider daniel wolff blank "grown-up anger" a must read. music is a main character and i've told people youtube is an essential companion to the buck. you want to hear the songs he writes about so the founding member is joining us and will perform a few of the songs that are particularly important in this fascinating book. so, for a thought provoking entertaining hour please welcome daniel wolff and emily kane.

this land is your land, this land is my land, woody guthrie song. talk to people and shout it's a beautiful thing. i'm trying to do one a week. >> you said you're on a mission to build a place in society. you say i'm just a guy. sometimes girl. sometimes boy. sometimes funny. sometimes not. what matters to sue tyou is the humanity. >> we still have a monarchy system in our country. i now judge monarchy people about what they do in their lives. so that's it. i'm a transgender person but i'm trying to raise money running marathons, i'm an activist. i'm doing well for myself. i'm running for a member of parliament in the next general election. >> which party? >> labor party. >> labor just had a big victory. >> looks like a big victory. it's coming out like a big victory. this whole separation from europe, i'm performing in french, german and spanish. languages. >> a pretty good french, pretty good german. i can do the show entirely. i learn it like a play and after that i learn spanish. i can go to cuba. >> will you be running for office one day. >> ne

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