melody of woody guthrie.ven copies and was way out of print by the time he was around. >> ellen does this and other songs. this also gets to one of the things that is fascinating to both of these guys in particul particular. i believe you call it self invention. that neither one is what they wanted people to think they were. they grew up in comfortablep ino surroundings. both of them had this image of someone that was just barely scraping by that they grew up in comfort. >> bob dylan is robert zimmerman from a middle-class family inans northern minnesota and he went to the university of minnesota where he discovered woody guthrie and turned himself into the man. there's pictures of him posed exactly the same way. he just wanted to be woody guthrie because that is the was' truth. so, woodrow wilson guthrie was born in oklahoma to a guy that had played a lot of money by helpfully say this politely, trading with the indians is the nicest way to say it, stealing a love of land in the territory before it began in

so it's not enough that your daddy is woody guthrie. then you're hanging out and become best friends with pete seager year after year after year. >> i remember the first time i went to visit pete and his wife toshie, i was five or six years old. and we went out. we were living in queens at that time in new york. and we went out to their place. pete had built a log cabin on a high bluff over the hudson river. and i just said, whoa, this is like davey crockett stuff or something. you know? and so we got there. i was really excited. i remember my mom saying go play with the other kids. i was hanging out with his kids like any familiar lishgs you know? but over the years -- and i thinking maybe in the mid 60s to the late 60s that time. there were so many people out on the streets. so many things going on. and the war and change the lafrpg ray, all th lingerie and whatever it was and pete was always there. you could hear that banjo of his from blocks away. i remember walking through washington, d.c., and i could hear his banjo. and him, you

and that has 32 leaves around the stone because of woody guthrie's lyrics.portees, not anymore, and one of the beautiful things of this memorial headstone behind me is that we still included in the foundation the original of how it went from anonymity. all of the talks earned immigration today, all the rhetoric has become a vast sea of noise. some of it is of value, it creates a valuable dialogue, but a lot of it, especially today as we enter this new administration we start to hear everywhere the people in general we start to hear the rent up, the polar of us versus them, immigrants versus americans. and that rhetoric is out there. i feel like what gets lost in part of that is intentional. and those abstractions that i was mentioning and if you like this book really provides the opportunity for us to look through the rhetoric and cut through it and to just look at one situation, 28 mexicans, for american citizens, all crashed and all regardless of race, regardless of social status, regardless of spiritual belief or background, they all met the same fate tog

when the plane crash happened in 1948 and the news reports one across the country, woody guthrie wase great rebel's folk iconse ideas. he heard the news report and he was upset at the omission of the names. he had traveled to the san joaquin valley's in the 30s and 40s so he was aware of theui fight of the migrant workers. he said that's no way to treat our brothers and sister so he wrote a poem. in his poem he attempts todignit restore the dignities of those passengers. he says goodbye to my juan, goodbye roe salida, you won't have a name when he read that big airplane, all they will call you as deportees. it was that phrase, it really caught my attention and i thought, is that all they will call us question that's my stord also. that's a piece i gravitated toward. who is they, who is all and while they call you?e that was a poetic piece of that lyric. during world war ii there were talks and negotiations between mexico and the united states. the results of that conversation was how can basis how can mexico be an ally of their time in the. that's from the word arms, like working arm

tonight a conversation with the legendary folk artist, the son of woody guthrie. he reflects on 50 years of alice's restaurant and current running down the road tour. we're glad you could join us and a gorveconversation with arlo ge in just a moment.

so kennedy was us senior a friend of woody guthrie is that i want to be the loudest yowler. with the loudest yowlers caving in to be with donald trump could you put in charge of education? teeeighteen the loudest yelling against public education for the better part of 20 years. no one would have paid attention to her whatsoever except for the fact she is rich. in america if you are rich you can be president of united states or secretary of education. at vitter is you know, anything but you buy your way into it. so when teeeighteen came before the senate committee that was constitutionally bound to realize she was qualified to serve as secretary of education literally to guide the future of our children, the best person many from vermont or new hampshire last terrific questions and got to the heart she did not know about programs that were central to what the department of education does literally a deterrent federal or state programs. it was tragic and painful. teeeighteen read me feel sorry for her i never thought that was possible but she got rid of most of it until bernie

exploded on the music scene in new york's greenwich village in it was the world of pete seeger and woody guthrie mike was at the music that attracted you are the message? >> it was creative, it was exciting, it was music, people were writing songs about every aspect of life. >> chris: it was a world where late one night joni mitchell sang her both sides now over the phone. what did you think? >> i said i will be right over! this is fantastic! >> chris: is there a phrase like? >> tears and fears, to say i love you write out loud. >> chris: how would you choose what works for you and what didn't? >> if it hits me here i sing it, if that doesn't happen i never want to hear it again. >> chris: in 1975: start another song by stephen sondhei sondheim. >> is integrate dominic how could you not want t that song? >> chris: it won the grammy for song of the year. collins made her mark in other ways, protesting for civil rights and against the war in vietnam. and in addition to sending her own songs and others are failing love affair with stephen stills inspired him to write the classic sweet judy blue eye

. >> it was written by woody graseck -- woody guthrie, and he omitted verses because he wrote it during asked to write a song, like an american song, like old-school. we thought, well, we do not really want to. so we looked back at traditional folk songs and found "this land is your land or cut we saw sharon jones and the dap kings, and it was beautiful. we wanted to do it our own, a mexican funk version. feterasis is las ca singing "this land is your land." ♪ saidon the other side it nothing this land was made for you and me oh this land this land this land was made for you and me oh this land this land this land was made for you and me ♪ ♪ ras inhat is las cafete our studios singing "this land is your land," one of the songs and "tastes like l.a." why did you name your albums that, and why is the cover a food truck? >> a lot of the places we play c l.a.- genre, we're so flavored, and that is the only way we would know how to describe it. cubia, punk, goth, and all of us come from so many different traditions and experiences. takano, mexican, but that just means you are mixed. you come

. ♪ ♪ and at the birchmere concert, bragg offered a beautiful version of a woody guthrie song. ♪ ♪ butyle moment, he turned to his punk rock roots. >> the clash. >> brown: the clash? >> saw the clash when i was 19, me and some friends of mine had been really interested in bands like dr. feelgood and the jam, it was stripping it back. and it seemed to, it's one of those watershed moments. it's like when the skifflers heard donegan and had that it's that sort of ability to make your own culture that came with punk rock that really keeps me going. that's why i thought i could sit down and write a book about skiffle, rather than wait for someone to ask me. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and we thought we knew all about rock 'n' roll. so that's the newshour for tonight. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc captioned by media access gro