many americans will remember a song produced by woody guthrie and sung beautifully by joan baez calleddeportee," about a terrible plane crash in which a number of mexicans being deported were killed. there were 32 people on the flight and 28 of them were mexicans. what impressed woody guthrie is that the newspapers only reported the names of the white pilots and so on who were on the plane. everybody else was referred to as a deportee and not named in the reports. in some ways, he dramatized what was going on. we had taken this labor and were using this labor and now we wanted to get rid of this labor. by the middle of the 1950's, during the eisenhower administration, there was an operation called unfortunately operation wet back, which was designed to dump even more mexicans out of the united states and across the border. in all, a little over a million were deported during operation wet back. this is the kind of love-hate relationship with labor from abroad that america had had for a long time. here it was, with respect to our southern neighbor. we wanted them when we wanted them bec

when i wa was there they didn't sing songs but i was told like sometimes they sing songs but like woody guthrie or something. [laughter] i was like it so funny you are just like a church at a church of yourself which is fine and wonderful and beautiful and they do amazing things that i do think what i found is that ospirituality isn't absent even if it takes on a different form in our lives so there has been much said about the death of religion in america but i think it is still an active and vibrant force as we see. i don't think that is a heartache. it's the centers of the community. it's happening on the football field. sports is a type of religion for americans. it's happening online. so many people are finding communities of faith were at human connection online, and facebook groups and applications, kids use apps, so aose were a couple of things i realized, yes. hopefully that answers your question. >> i was wondering if you have any conclusion with thetw overlp of religious life and caucus life. the caucus mentality where we just roll our eyes while he stands out all of our tables. [lau

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comes out in the 1960's including his musical form which is very much inspired by roots music, woody guthriefull music of the 1960's -- the folk music of the 1960's. he brings an interesting rock sound with his band. what interesting about springsteen is he managed to take the historical developments and make it into poetry. his music and his lyrics really experience and he somehow finds beauty in the landscape that we've been talking about. this song that i'm going to play you is called atlantic city. it's from an album called nebraska. see, you are going to buses. i told you how my dad paid his way through college in ways that we can't today, he drove buses. ♪ >> i want you to be listening to me whatcs and tell calls your attention. what stands out. ♪ >> so, what you think? i'll tell you what i saw. among other things. the boardwalk in atlantic city, which, coming out of the prohibition era into the 50's and 60's, was thriving. and then you have casinos. there are casinos in so many places now, but back in the 70's, there were only two places, that was atlantic city and las vegas. everybod

and, like, they just, you know, like, woody guthrie or something. and i was, like, it's so funny that you're, like, you're just like a church. but a church of yourself, which is fine and wonderful and beautiful, and they do such amazing things. but i do think that, i do think what i found was that spirituality is not absent even if it takes on a different form in our lives. and so there has been much said about the death of religion in america. but i think it is still an active can is and vibrant force as we see -- i don't think that's a hot take, but it's a force in a way different way than it used to be. it's no longer these little centers of our community. it's happening, you know, on the football fields. sports is a type of religion for americans. you know, it's happening online. so many people are finding communities of faith or centers of organization or that spiritual human connection online in facebook groups and dms and apps, the apps, the kids use the apps. so those were a couple other things i realized. yes. hopefully that answers your qu