back tao, director woolsey. you think this may not actually be the military staging a coup as we've seen them do in the past. this may be a group of fakers. this may be erdogan messing with himself in other words, his own government? because what the experts are saying is the worst possible outcome is more instability in turkey. >> i think the chances that that was a fake are well under 50/50 but they may not be zero. it's hard to understand why they went forward with something as clumsy and likely to fail as this. >> and so what are we looking for tonight? are americans more in jeopardy, in other words? if president erdogan stays, then tomorrow are we in the same position we were in yesterday with respect to turkey? >> i think we may be in a somewhat less good situation even than we were yesterday. i think the tensions between his government and us are likely to increase. i think it could be a very unpleasant coming months in american-turkish relations. i wish it were different. i love working with the turks. >

as always, all of this brings us to ambassador jim woolsey, former cia director under president bill ambassad ambassador, where to begin? laura compare today to multiple wounds against the french democra democracy, as if it was a bull, an animal. another friend of mine texted me tonight, any chance we can crank the manhattan project back up again. people are angry, and they're raw, and wounded, and i want to hear you out on what we're facing. >> and i think they're scared, and it's -- there's disjunction between the threat we face, and our response. they are at war with us. isis is a theaccuratataric, and to be a bigger caliphate, in areas such as the places it used to completely control, such as spain, and part of france. and it is just totally in favor of destroying us in every way that it can. and it -- one thing that happens with these terrorist attacks is it increases their recruiting because as bin laden once said, people see a strong horse and weak horse, they like the strong horse better. if 80 people get killed, it increases the forces for isis. and we on the other hand are

secretary woolsey, if i can start with you, what do you make of what you're seeing? >> i was very surprised to see this. i spent about six months in turkey a little over a year ago, and there were tensions, but i thought that this was quite surprising -- >> because erdogan had -- you thought he had more control of the military? >> each time, each event more or less produced an increase in his authority and he was very resolute about it. >> they're claiming this is basically junior officers and low-level people and a lot of the troops on the streets look very young. do you buy that? >> it could be true. the older officers that were more or less in the ataturk tradition, a number of them were moved out, some several years ago, i think. >> ali sufan, does it seem to you that this coup is succeeding? >> it doesn't seem like it. it looks like the coup doesn't have the support of the top military brass and the chief has been rescued by the security forces and the police and especially the paramilitary police that appears to be very loyal to erdogan and seems to be taking b

or jim woolsey, who i know is coming under show next.hat do you think of ted cruz's posture towards trump at this point -- in terms of is it smart for him and if there is a downside? nicole: the largest growing group of voters is republicans in the senate. their group is undecided. mike lee said yesterday on "morning joe" he is not sure he is going to endorse. jeff flake hasn't endorsed. cruz hasn't endorsed. kasich hasn't endorsed. i think that the question -- when jeb bush said he wasn't going to vote in the presidential contest, he got a lot of flack. but it is now a position. mark: does cruz pay any price with anybody for saying i don't really know what i'm going to do about trump? nicolle: well, i don't think anyone assumes that ted cruz is going to vote for hillary clinton, but if you can't pull the lever for donald trump, that's a powerful statement. and whether or not he will pay a price with the huge swath of republicans -- i think trump has an 80% approval rating among republicans? republican voters want to see republican leade

we are joined by the central intelligence agency former director, james woolsey.d the u.s. government be doing that would be more aggressive than president obama is doing to fight against isis and other terrorists around the world? james: right now we are playing a game like we are the hockey goalie. any shot on net gets through our catching it, we lose everything. we have to do a better job of getting inside of the heads of our enemy. one thing is to call them what they are. jihadi islamist terrorists, and not to mince words the way the president does. you cannot work effectively on something you cannot talk about. the other is to take notice of the fact we will have to make serious compromises. we all want our privacy and we also want security. in a normal average, pleasant day in the united states and other parts of the world, security and privacy do not clash that much. when you get attacked, particularly by an institution as ruthless as isis, they do begin to clash. what we have to do is essentially develop a public/private partnership so that the people in t

we want to bring in james woolsey. what do you think of this, an attempted coup. >> the most surprising thing isers erdogan having been silent six days and not saying anything. that's not like him. he want's to give the impression that he is the big man there and controls virtually everything. and that is very strength he -- very strange he wouldn't be out saying this is an attempt and we put it down or whatever happened. >> i to an bring in other details we're getting. reuters witnesses in as -- istanbul, spotting hasn'ts, broadcaster reporting the bridges, the straight separating the european and eric sides of the city have been closed to traffic and it's not immediately clear if these events are connected. >> turkish military are to some extent in the past have been in tumult because they were very western-oriented. worked very closely with the british and with us, and with nato. but with erdogan coming to power, a lot of that has gone away. a lot of the pro western turkey officers have been fired and essentially re

bring in jim woolsey. former director of the cia. it's good to have you with us.were under different circumstances. >> i do too but thanks for having me. >> what's most important to think about at this moment regarding nice? >> we have -- we're in a war. we just don't admit it. the other side in a war. you may not with interested in war but war may be interested in you. and we have to stop pretending this is a matter of a criminal activity and talk about taking the terrorists to justice. no. they want to destroy us. they want to destroy our civilization. they want to destroy our country. and we had better get moving before -- they have chemical weapons of some kind of other they got, they being isis. and affiliated organizations. we better get moving before they end up with something even more deadly than chemical and we have to stop fiddling around. >> what instituconstitutes no l fiddling around? >> in '99 in the clinton administration when we went against the serbs to keep them from massacring, they were flying hundreds a day against serbia. against the isis, w

this book has a big story but looking at it you woolsey it is in latin and could be overlooked unless you see the symbol it has a great story but you have to know history and understand the history of the time period to know who owned the book. you have to do some detective work if you see this is a crown to make you think loyalty. they think that is french royalty but why the two sides? because the person was married this would be a queens copy in the kenyan was lee 15 this is the seal of marie antoinette you may not recognize the book as it is in latin but if he knew that seal you could identify this very few of hers have survived because it was absorbed but this would have been a book she with carried with her that each year there were given new copies that is why it is currently not in the french national library. finally another fun book, a shakespeare died 1616 than the complete works were first printed only about two o hundred 50 of these copies have survived and even before you open the book has a story to tell with the working class with the complete works the shakespeare is

terrorist attack, joined by the former director of the civil -- central intelligence agency, james woolsey.s. government be doing that was more aggressive than president obama is doing to fight terrorism? game as if we were the hockey goalie and any shot on net in the hole season gets through, we lose everything. we have to do a better job of getting inside the heads of our enemy. one thing is to call them for what they are, jihadi, islamist terrorists, not to mince words the way the president does. you cannot work effectively on something if you cannot talk about it. notice ofis to take the fact that we will have to make some serious compromises. we all want our privacy. we all want security. in a normal, average pleasant day in the united states and other parts of the world, security and privacy do not clash that much. by anou get attacked institution as ruthless as isis, they do clash. we have to develop a public-private partnership so that the people in the government, nsa especially, real experts on data and what one can theith it, and people from data industry, that are very good at

some of the statements, is this country doing enough, and what needs to be done, even what director woolseyaid earlier, we should realize how much has changed since 9/11, and even sirngs the last two years. there have been over 10,000 air strikes against isis, massive recruitments and expansions of law enforcement of homeland security, intelligence officials and there's calls for more of that now. there's an enormous war effort going on from the home land to the middle east, and around the world. that's -- all that said is not going to stop an individual raised in france, born in france, perhaps, to take a truck and drive through their independence day celebration and kill as many people as they can. that is a behavioral problem, a cultural problem, it's a global problem. but that's -- it's just so far removed from the dialogue that we're having in the united states about sealing off borders and loyalty tests and a lot of other ideas that seem to be grasping at straws. perhaps rightfully with the country and leaders like our own who are just so frustrated and wanting the killing, the attack

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cia director woolsey, thank you, sir.ice protests igniting overnight in multiple cities after an officer-involved shooting. this video in minneapolis where an officer shot a man in a car four timesment part of the incident was live streamed on facebook. now we'll head to baton rouge. people are angry about the shooting. and it's recorded on a cell phone. we'll turn to this. the european migrant crisis leading to a spike in violent crime. we've got sexual assaults in sweden possibly involving two migran migrants, and also a spate of crimes at public schools in germany. here we have louise. is the pc culture contributing to the crime? >> certainly, in cologne, you saw disgusting for the women that they should keep at arm's length. we'll have more on this. stay with us, we've got more varney next. you guy's be good. i'll see you later [ bark ] [ bark ] bye. see ya pal. ever wonder what your pets do when you leave home? [ laughing ] aw you cutie pie. aw. aw. aw. aw. [ barking ] [ washing machine running ] party's on! know wha

former cia director james woolsey with us on this. this is happening so frequently.ask the same questions over and over again. the big question right now, what will we do? what should we do to finish this if it can be defeated? >> i think we have to start by admitting that we're at war. the president has to talk that way. he has to try to rally the country. it may be too late for president obama to do that. he is not inclined to anyway. he had a long time to do it and he hasn't done it. so whoever -- charles: let me ask you, ambassador, what has been the argument for not doing it? i don't hear enough members of congress saying this on either side of the aisle. it feels to the averageviewer, or, that we are at war, at least, like the mouse at war. they're at war with us. we better fight back! >> trotsky said you may not be interested in war but war may be interested in you. that's where we are. i think we have to come to terms with that and realize we're not going to win, we're not going to defeat them. we're pert pet -- perpetually lose dozens of people in every coun

i talked to jim woolsey about this recently former director of cia.y are not focused on what they should be. things like this get under the radar because we are not looking. the other thing we have to understand here is president obama and company are very much for prime minister erdogan's trend towards allowing him to basically consolidate more power. and that's what's going on here. that's what will come out of this. if erdogan survives which looks like he will. he will become more draconian in his approach to consolidation of power. dare i say this may be the beginning of the end for the turkish democracy. >> so the administration was caught unaware. they had no idea this was happening. but their first instinct was to support erdogan as you noted their second was to support morsey over mubarak. is it fair to say their instinct is to support the islamic autocrat over the secular leader. >> that's been the trend. trended toward despots every time you turn around. i hate to be so bluntly there are clear issues here. we damaged our relationship with eg