worder von braun, a german rocket pioneer, invents the v2 rocket, which terrorized london, which was first ballistic missile. this is a rocket that gets launched, leaves earth's atmosphere, travels in the vacuum of space and lands on its target vastly farther away than any previous missile could be launched. worder von braun knew that if after that war people were going to go into space, any kind of big way, they would need that technology. and sure enough, at the end of the war, we didn't put worner von braun -- didn't send him to nuremberg on trial. they ultimately burst our space program, which, by the way, is a vote for immigrants to the united states. >> well, it's a vote for immigrants, but it's also kind of alarming, because we're getting slightly off-piece here, but it's also, you know, failing to hold mass murderers accountable. >> well, so this is -- well, except that if the mass murderer has tools that you want in your own defense and your own security, then you ignore that, you give them a stay of execution, and you make them part of your team. that's not a new thing that