to help with sam's mental health, he has challenged himself to climb the seven summits, the highest mountains across the seven continents of the worldm changing. i just feel stronger, confident. like, i wouldn't, i don't feel like i could be in a situation i'm in last year. when i wanted to start climbing, that sort of gave me the taste i needed, itjust took my mind off everything else and i'm like, that's going to get me back to where i need to be, like, to feel... ..you know, like i'm achieving something. and ifeel, like, you keep, you know, dreaming big that's when you like, it gets better, doesn't it? claire jones with that exclusive film. let's talk live to alexander blackman, and simon adams, who's ceo of the community interest company exfor+, that aims to help military personnel transition into civilian life. good morning to you both and thank you very much for coming on the programme. al blackman, what is it like for you hearing sam deen, whose identity we can finally reveal, speak in the way he has? it is very saddening. i think back when we were first arrested in the whole process began, obviously apart from the effect on