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john's wort and sami. >> i thought the st. john's wort wasn't convincing. >> for mild and moderate depression it's pretty good. not for depression. good evidence and also works for aches and pains and osteoarthritis so if depression is accompanied by bodily aches and it's worth trying. there's an indian herb that i use called ashwaganda, but it's a relaxant and calming. so for someone that has depression with anxiety that might be a good thing to try. these are all things to try. they can't hurt you and you might give them a try before you resort to a prescribed drug. >> we'll have a whole lot of history to work back on to see what worked and didn't work. >> yeah. >> it's always fascinating to speak with you, and i'm glad you're well. >> thanks. >> congratulations on the book. take care of yourself. don't tour too much. ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> salt adds flavor to just about everything and sodium in salt is an essential nutrient, but too much or too little can cause major health problems. the usda says people should limit sodium intake to le
john's wort and sami. >> i thought the st. john's wort wasn't convincing. >> for mild and moderate depression it's pretty good. not for depression. good evidence and also works for aches and pains and osteoarthritis so if depression is accompanied by bodily aches and it's worth trying. there's an indian herb that i use called ashwaganda, but it's a relaxant and calming. so for someone that has depression with anxiety that might be a good thing to try. these are all things to try....
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john's wort -- >> i think the st.n's wort literature was very convincing -- >> for mild to moderate depression, looks pretty good. not for severe depression. it is not indicated for that. s.a.m.i., a dietary supplements, also works for aches and pains and bodily arthritis. also works rapidly. an indian herb i use, quite safe. i don't need it, i don't take it, but it is relaxant and calming. for someone that has depression with anxiety that might be a good thing to try. these are all things to try. they can't hurt you and you might give them a try. you resort to a prescribed drug. >> we will have a whole lot of history to look back on to see what worked and what didn't work. that's always fascinating to speak with you and i'm glad you're well. >> thanks. >> congratulations on the book. take care yourself. don't tour too much. >>> salt adds flavor to just about everything. and sodium in salt is an essential nutrient. but too much or too little can cause major health problems. the usda says people should limit sodium int
john's wort -- >> i think the st.n's wort literature was very convincing -- >> for mild to moderate depression, looks pretty good. not for severe depression. it is not indicated for that. s.a.m.i., a dietary supplements, also works for aches and pains and bodily arthritis. also works rapidly. an indian herb i use, quite safe. i don't need it, i don't take it, but it is relaxant and calming. for someone that has depression with anxiety that might be a good thing to try. these are all...
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don't think most of us are going to see anything like they're seeing in garrett county but something wort pointing -- worth pointing out. we hit our high temperature just past midnight. then we got up to 50 by mid-morning. we had early sunshine. we show you that on our abc2 weather bug camera. the clouds thickening up. in bel air and in the heart of harford county, sun. d.c. tonight seeing just about all overcast conditions but the rain has not made it up over southern maryland but a beautiful shot. hey, take a lock at some of the numbers. we've got temperatures rung 30s, 40s, closer to upper 40s near the beaches. there's no question they're getting snow near oakland and the high terrain where it's 28. winds from the north have let up. still breeze and i think mostly cloudy with mid-40s from cockeys back to ellicott city, and tack you into howard county back up flew columbia mostly cloudy. we should see sunny breaks at times. across the region we already showed you that one weather make per bringing heavy rain south of salisbury, lower eastern shore back through richmond, vo -- richmond,
don't think most of us are going to see anything like they're seeing in garrett county but something wort pointing -- worth pointing out. we hit our high temperature just past midnight. then we got up to 50 by mid-morning. we had early sunshine. we show you that on our abc2 weather bug camera. the clouds thickening up. in bel air and in the heart of harford county, sun. d.c. tonight seeing just about all overcast conditions but the rain has not made it up over southern maryland but a beautiful...
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tren chocara contra un árbol el incidente antes de las 11 de la mañana al sur de la estación de hay wortárbol cayó sobre las vías del tren ocasionando más demoras el servicio seres tau ro después del medio día, al sur de california vientos derribaron árboles y dejaron a miles sin suministro eléctrico, veamos. >>> labores de limpieza en pasadena por todas partes, y es que fuertes vientos han comenzado a azotar el sur de california ocasionando daños por toda la ciudad el árbol cayó y tumbó todo. >>> jaime empleado de una estación de gasolina ahí un enorme árbol cayó sobre el establecimiento y los daños causado lo podrían dejar por días sin empleo. >>> ha pra trabajo para que la gente recontruya. >>> las imágenes hablan por sí mismas más de un centenar de árboles caídos y algunos cayeron sobre autos edificios y viviendas dejando a muchos residentes atrapados y buscando la manera de sacar las enormes ramas. >>> el viento que no dejó de dar toda la noche, fuerte y desgraciadamente el árbol se cayó pero no encima de la caza afortunadamente. >>> ante tanto desastre e herramienta de renta para c
tren chocara contra un árbol el incidente antes de las 11 de la mañana al sur de la estación de hay wortárbol cayó sobre las vías del tren ocasionando más demoras el servicio seres tau ro después del medio día, al sur de california vientos derribaron árboles y dejaron a miles sin suministro eléctrico, veamos. >>> labores de limpieza en pasadena por todas partes, y es que fuertes vientos han comenzado a azotar el sur de california ocasionando daños por toda la ciudad el...
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the post reports between 1984 and 2009, media net wort of a member of the house went to $725,000 a year. >>> alaska fair bank protesters are in a standoff with government to maintain right through free speech. occupiers will continue the protests regardless of insist i camping. temperatures will rise above 0 in fair banks this week. they are committed to their cause. it is 14 degrees below zero in fair banks, alaska, that is amazing. >>> many people turn to stratfor for information about security threats. now, some subscribers are facing a threat thanks to a hacker. kelly has the story. >> reporter: personal information of thousands of credit card users compromised after anonymous struck global security firm, stratfor, last weekend. allen is a stratfor subscriber and retired state employee and lost $700 after hackers stole his banking information and made 4 donations to charities. >> since we picked it up, and i was able to identify within two hours, under two hours, we were able to stem that. had i not, they would have escalated the amounts. >> reporter: according to an on line post, a
the post reports between 1984 and 2009, media net wort of a member of the house went to $725,000 a year. >>> alaska fair bank protesters are in a standoff with government to maintain right through free speech. occupiers will continue the protests regardless of insist i camping. temperatures will rise above 0 in fair banks this week. they are committed to their cause. it is 14 degrees below zero in fair banks, alaska, that is amazing. >>> many people turn to stratfor for...
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i don't know what the evidence is for that wort but i find it amazing that the iraqi government immediately on the heels of the u.s. departure is dealing with this level of crisis. 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help turn to the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. -- 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help. the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. >> there are concerns about iranian influence. >> that is you would step in and be a winner. it would be tehran. they are rubbing their hands together in great glee that this is looking like it is tenuous. that this might fall apart. let's give the iraqis some space to see how well they handled this. >> it is america able to exert any influence from afar? >> sure. we have been a part of that region forever. we will continue to be. we have friends in that area. we have tremendous intelligence- collecting committed -- intelligence-collecting capabilities. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, mary christmas. >> when nato aircraft killed two dozen soldiers in pakistan last month, what w
i don't know what the evidence is for that wort but i find it amazing that the iraqi government immediately on the heels of the u.s. departure is dealing with this level of crisis. 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help turn to the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. -- 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help. the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. >> there are concerns about iranian influence. >> that is you would step...
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at macy's each one is worts $1. on this national believe day, they are worth $2. >> for every letter that comes to the mailbox we make a donation to the make a wish foundation. >> these teenagers were so inspired to help they collected nearly 10,000 letters. the drop off was yet one more gesture of generousity. >> people wanted to help us. >> for all of the presence thomas and his family received, the best gift came in october, right? >> yes. >> it is hard to compete with the moment the family got the medical reprieve they had been longing to hear. >> thomas knows that he has had leukemia. and him understanding and saying, no more leukemia! it was the best feeling in the world. >> today that joy was felt by all. just watching thomas feel good. >> what do you think about make a wish? >> i like it. >> so for all of the letters and the wishes coming true, thomas says thank you. in san jose, karina rusk, abc7 news. >> and we have a link to the make a wish foundation. go to our website at abc7news.com. click on see it on
at macy's each one is worts $1. on this national believe day, they are worth $2. >> for every letter that comes to the mailbox we make a donation to the make a wish foundation. >> these teenagers were so inspired to help they collected nearly 10,000 letters. the drop off was yet one more gesture of generousity. >> people wanted to help us. >> for all of the presence thomas and his family received, the best gift came in october, right? >> yes. >> it is hard to...
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decades wort decades worth of taylor's fashions are up for auction.eces from her prized art collection are available. the sale expected to bring in $50 million. it is won of the largest auctions in history. >> wow. >> do you remember the diamond she wore in giant? the family was the owner of these oil fields. that was the basis for the movie. it was the other famous actor that became the oil tycoon in that movie. >> rhode richard burton. >> i have no idea. >> that guy.
decades wort decades worth of taylor's fashions are up for auction.eces from her prized art collection are available. the sale expected to bring in $50 million. it is won of the largest auctions in history. >> wow. >> do you remember the diamond she wore in giant? the family was the owner of these oil fields. that was the basis for the movie. it was the other famous actor that became the oil tycoon in that movie. >> rhode richard burton. >> i have no idea. >> that...
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at macy's each one is worts $1. and on this national believe day, they are worth $2. >> for every letter that comes to the mailbox we make a donation to the make a wish foundation. >> these teenagers were so inspired to help they collected nearly 10,000 letters. the drop off was yet one more gesture of generousity. >> people wanted to help us. >> for all of the presence thomas and his family received, the best gift came in october, right? >> yes. >> it is hard to compete with the moment the family got the medical reprieve they had been longing to hear. >> thomas knows that he has had leukemia. and him understanding and saying, no more leukemia! it was the best feeling in the world. >> today that joy was felt by all. just watching thomas feel good. >> what do you think about make a wish? >> i like it. >> so for all of the letters and the wishes coming true, thomas says thank you. in san jose, karina rusk, abc7 news. >> and we have a link to the make a wish foundation. go to our website at abc7news.com. click on see i
at macy's each one is worts $1. and on this national believe day, they are worth $2. >> for every letter that comes to the mailbox we make a donation to the make a wish foundation. >> these teenagers were so inspired to help they collected nearly 10,000 letters. the drop off was yet one more gesture of generousity. >> people wanted to help us. >> for all of the presence thomas and his family received, the best gift came in october, right? >> yes. >> it is...
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john's wort. in our study of retired football players, we used the whole program to help them get thinner, smarter, and happier and also relied heavily on nutritional supplements to help them be successful. all of our players took a multiple vitamin, fish oil, and targeted supplements to help their memory and mood. today we have 32 players with follow-up scans and cognitive test scores. not only did our players lose weight, they also felt smarter and happier; 70% reported tirhe memories were better, 53% noticed improvements in their attention, and 40% said they felt happier and more motivated. in addition, we saw highly significant increases in the front, decision-making part of their brains. at 34, cam cleeland was one of our youngest nfl players. he had just retired as a tight end and was struggling with depression, irritability, memory, weight, and marital problems. his wife, who was at her wit's end, found out about our study. cam had had three concussions in college and five in the pros. his
john's wort. in our study of retired football players, we used the whole program to help them get thinner, smarter, and happier and also relied heavily on nutritional supplements to help them be successful. all of our players took a multiple vitamin, fish oil, and targeted supplements to help their memory and mood. today we have 32 players with follow-up scans and cognitive test scores. not only did our players lose weight, they also felt smarter and happier; 70% reported tirhe memories were...
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again, a look at that bain but just going to -- several inches anticipated up too 8 inches by the wort of the workweek. then we have a second storm system that is going to dip down past parts of the rockies. more snow across new mexico and colorado even even dipping town into parts of the texas panhandle. nominees accumulated snowfall out here and right along the rain snow level we will have freezing life to. >> maria when you are in cool for reidorology they didn't teach you this tough because it is all over the wayers. >> mendy mccraady her even at her boy friend's home in arkansas. shelters was found hiding in a compossity with her five month old son. police are working to return the boy to her mother. >> hersey father reacting to the news. >> i was concerned about hows mindy how he feels. and eni tried to confer with zander. sore a five year. >> the little boy is now in the custody of the arkansas division of children and family services. no word if mccreaty will face security cameras. >> we will tell you why and what you need to know to find bar bins. >> they can't her hall of fam
again, a look at that bain but just going to -- several inches anticipated up too 8 inches by the wort of the workweek. then we have a second storm system that is going to dip down past parts of the rockies. more snow across new mexico and colorado even even dipping town into parts of the texas panhandle. nominees accumulated snowfall out here and right along the rain snow level we will have freezing life to. >> maria when you are in cool for reidorology they didn't teach you this tough...
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>> about $250. 250 for one day's wort ov work.o put me a day behind. >> he has already left. we assume he's given up on trying to get his load deliver. it would also set him back a day. we know the police chief and the administrator at the emergency operation center. they're going to update us now on the situation from their point of view. >> thousands of people work at the port of oakland. thousands more depend on oakland. we're working hard to keep operations going with min much disruption. we urge the demonstrators to respect the rights of the 99% who are trying the to work today an to keep the protests peaceful. so far it seems to be going well. operations are minimally disrupte disrupted. >> that concludes the statements for right now. we're joined by oakland police department israel as well as the city administrator for the city of oakland. we'll now take a few questions. >> that was oakland mayor jean quan making brief statements about the attempt to shut down the port of oakland. she's saying minimal interruptions. we'll h
>> about $250. 250 for one day's wort ov work.o put me a day behind. >> he has already left. we assume he's given up on trying to get his load deliver. it would also set him back a day. we know the police chief and the administrator at the emergency operation center. they're going to update us now on the situation from their point of view. >> thousands of people work at the port of oakland. thousands more depend on oakland. we're working hard to keep operations going with min...
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that said -- >> facebook is worts, what, $100 billion, and nobody works for it. i don't know. >> did you see he was like -- twitter employs about 500 people, but that's the long and short of it. >> twitter is not -- >> i have an ice cream truck that has a few position positions open. >> the problem is they are all inside. >> the thing about your truck is there is no ice cream in there, but there is pot. >>> the highest gun sales -- a record 129,000 guns sold in a single day last week. you told me in the green room that there is a shortage of ammunition in america. so i talked to you about this. you are scaring the crap out of me. am i supposed to buy a cabin? am i supposed to buy real gold? am i supposed to buy a gun? >> look, in the depression, wall street bankers had machine guns mounted on their west chester estates. there are miss directions on america. he lead a farmer insurrection in the heartland. it was spiking railroad ties. it has gotten gnarly. we pulled out of it. we needed a world war and atomic bomb to do it, and we don't want it to happen again. >>
that said -- >> facebook is worts, what, $100 billion, and nobody works for it. i don't know. >> did you see he was like -- twitter employs about 500 people, but that's the long and short of it. >> twitter is not -- >> i have an ice cream truck that has a few position positions open. >> the problem is they are all inside. >> the thing about your truck is there is no ice cream in there, but there is pot. >>> the highest gun sales -- a record 129,000...
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according to our media partner, watta, will sign a $2 million contract with an option wort 5 millionrth $5 million. now we have wadda and nada in town. >>> laurel today. down the stretch they come. and the winner is, number 1. rapid reducks. jd acosta. rapid reducks tied a north american record, for most victories. he won his 19th straight to break the record set by citation back in 1948. rapid reducks. rapid reducks has won 21 consecutive dating back to 2010. but it might have been his last race. because the trainer says he would like to retire the 5-year- old gelding at the end of the year. but this horse has been compared to michael phelps. nice analogy. you train phelps to swim. the trainer says you train this horse to run. >> thank you, stan. ,,,,,,,,,,,, [ female announcer ] holiday plus cookies plus memories pillsbury holiday star cookies start with pillsbury cookie dough easy. then add my own favorite frosting and sprinkles. just three ingredients to sweet memories. holiday ideas made easy. mmm... pillsbury crescent wrapped brie just unroll, wrap the brie and bake. it's so ea
according to our media partner, watta, will sign a $2 million contract with an option wort 5 millionrth $5 million. now we have wadda and nada in town. >>> laurel today. down the stretch they come. and the winner is, number 1. rapid reducks. jd acosta. rapid reducks tied a north american record, for most victories. he won his 19th straight to break the record set by citation back in 1948. rapid reducks. rapid reducks has won 21 consecutive dating back to 2010. but it might have been...
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i don't know what the evidence is for that wort but i find it amazing that the iraqi government immediatelys. departure is dealing with this level of crisis. 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help turn to the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. -- 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help. the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. >> there are concerns about iranian influence. >> that is you would step in and be a winner. it would be tehran. they are rubbing their hands together in great glee that this is looking like it is tenuous. that this might fall apart. let's give the iraqis some space to see how well they handled this. >> it is america able to exert any influence from afar? >> sure. we have been a part of that region forever. we will continue to be. we have friends in that area. we have tremendous intelligence- collecting committed -- intelligence-collecting capabilities. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, mary christmas. >> when nato aircraft killed two dozen soldiers in pakistan last month, what went wrong? the pentagon
i don't know what the evidence is for that wort but i find it amazing that the iraqi government immediatelys. departure is dealing with this level of crisis. 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help turn to the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. -- 70 dead, 200 wounded, no u.s. forces there to help. the u.s. did a magnificent job of finding the guilty party. >> there are concerns about iranian influence. >> that is you would step in and be a winner. it...
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wort worr worp wowoe monmonth after were significan say the least. p >> well, yes and espe becaup because because it spring. osama bin laden dies and there is is no arap is no araisd continucontinues bup conti killp killed killed by the tp the arab spring showed arap arabs thearabs there w whip which thwhich they c injusticp injustices injus osamaosama's wap osama's w pay. r pso osama bin ladd before osama bin laden was killp killed and thkilled r>> tht>> thr p>> the y stastart with the earthquake a tsunami in japan. thr that stanthat stand. whp what elements were the significant for 2011? >> p >> i spent a lot of t japrjapan anp japan ajas usp used used to big natur especially earthquakes and tsunamis. r bp br bp by themseb disastedisasters werp didi hadnp hadn't behadn't been thp that cathat came aftert r p in fukushima that melted down. >p >> which>> which they>> japr japan japan we arp. we thinp we think of japan efficiep efficient aefficid ththey dip they did the bas disaster happened, they essentially tried to cover it up. that's not what we ex
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john's wort interferes with hiv therapies and the dangers of ee fed ra and led the fda to withdraw it from the u.s. market. even more important, work on pain management and important studies that show that some of the complimentary approaches are helpful in management of pain is changing how doctors and patients approach a very big and common problem, chronic back pain. it is a big focus for us right now. >> obviously you're both very passionate about where you stand. we appreciate your time. we will continue to follow this research and see what more does come of it. for more on the research and budget, check out their web page nccam.nih.gov. >>> piers morgan answering questions today about what went on at quts news of the world during his watch. what he had to say next. that's why every day we help people across the country get into their first homes. prepare for a comfortable retirement and protect the people and things that matter most. at genworth we believe every day is the right day to take a step toward tomorrow. yeah, i toog nyguil bud i'm stild stubbed up. [ male announcer ]
john's wort interferes with hiv therapies and the dangers of ee fed ra and led the fda to withdraw it from the u.s. market. even more important, work on pain management and important studies that show that some of the complimentary approaches are helpful in management of pain is changing how doctors and patients approach a very big and common problem, chronic back pain. it is a big focus for us right now. >> obviously you're both very passionate about where you stand. we appreciate your...
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gibson gave away $700 wort of christmas presents by putting them in the wrong car.she dropped off the gifts halfway through the shopping spree. her key opened the trunk of a ford focus. she didn't realize until she finished shopping and things got worse from there. >> i lost my job the day before and this happens. to replace everything back is not going to be easy. >> she is hoping the thrive will have the heart to bring back the gifts. >>> men no waiting on the bench, waiting for your wife. one mall created a man cave soft sorts, flush leather recliners and exercise, practice golf swing and play video games. >> this is so different. i've never been to anything like this before. >> men can have someone do the shopping for them while they are having fun. the gifts will be wrapped free of charge. since it's a men's only lounge, -- donations will go to prostate cancer research in canada. >>> tip your barber, mailman, and your favorite hair stylist. coming up next, tips on how much you should tip without going broke. how price of crude oil maybe affecting how much you a
gibson gave away $700 wort of christmas presents by putting them in the wrong car.she dropped off the gifts halfway through the shopping spree. her key opened the trunk of a ford focus. she didn't realize until she finished shopping and things got worse from there. >> i lost my job the day before and this happens. to replace everything back is not going to be easy. >> she is hoping the thrive will have the heart to bring back the gifts. >>> men no waiting on the bench,...
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. >> for the pcc adjudication, the first adjudication referring to 20,000 pounds wort of share -- worth shares? >> i believe so, yes. >> and wasn't that based on the information you provided the pcc? >> not that i provided, but the company did. >> which company? >> i think it was trinity mirror then, wasn't it? >> it muff been information which you provided trinity mirror for them to provide to the pcc. can we agree with that? they would not know unless you told them? >> the trinity mirror would run away within ten hours of the story first emerges exactly how many shares i bought. >> based on information you provided; is that correct, mr. morgan? >> yes. >> one way or another, they were under the impression, correct as it seems, that it was 20,000 pounds worth of shares, not 67,000 pounds; is that right? >> who was under that impression? >> trinity mirror after the pcc. are we agreed about that? >> no, they were not. sorry. just to clarify. i told trinity mirror exactly how many shares i bought. >> did you know how it is that the wrong information then was provided to the pcc? >> i beli
. >> for the pcc adjudication, the first adjudication referring to 20,000 pounds wort of share -- worth shares? >> i believe so, yes. >> and wasn't that based on the information you provided the pcc? >> not that i provided, but the company did. >> which company? >> i think it was trinity mirror then, wasn't it? >> it muff been information which you provided trinity mirror for them to provide to the pcc. can we agree with that? they would not know unless...