ottawa wouldd support significant economic sanctions and with threatened that to do her a russian -- to deter a russian incursion into eastern ukraine. of course the decision-making of the eu is so much more unwieldy and has to operate by consensus. i think this division between europe and north america is playing to putin's added. >> they will be meeting next week, do you hold out much hope for diplomacy? >> i don't think the russian government will actually agree with any kind of moderate diplomatic approach to the problems in ukraine. it might be a good tactical initiative for the british, americans, and others to agree in this diplomatic dialogue, to have russia and ukraine at the table, to have the european union and the u.s. at the table. if you could tie the russians to in less red tape, that might be another way to deter a russian military invasion, but you have those tools. the threat of important sectoral sanctions should putin go into eastern ukraine, some kind of diplomatic process that might slow them down. we have wryly taken a western military response off the table be

wish, wouldd your you expect and hope that the epa rule will allow credit for reduction outside of par production? do you expect that? >> i haven't asked the epa about that. i expect that to be the case. >> that is a critical component of where we can see reductions. , thee low hanging fruit energy efficiency hanging side. we have picked some of that fruit. we are not looking hard at the multiyear initiatives. some of the deeper investments. i think it is critical that we look at those areas when we are talking about it. >> they went way beyond reggie. they take in the carbon. the whole the carbon. it is critical. i knew the energy master plan. those type of things are critical. ask, are there tensions at the state level between those who regulate air, and those who regulate power? in many areas, they are in different agencies. i assume those that have been involved in the air study environment, they been the people involved in the discussion. all of a sudden, you're the kingpins. does that give rise to tension? logical tensions, because we are charged with a different approach. we hav

announcement to missa surprise lerner and to her attorney and that anyly likely attorney didn't want to be wouldd of malpractice have come forward and allowed her to testify under those circumstances. wefact, what he said was lost confidence in the fairness and the impartiality of the forum. it is completely partisan. to rebutte very hard that in light of the circumstances when we could have from this witness. mr. chairman, i believe that the people have lost confidence in the fair oferstands and impartiality our work here. fromublic deserves to hear miss lerner. moreu had acted in a responsible fashion, if you had the witness every opportunity to negotiate, to us and tell us what these hearings have been about beginning, this beenmpt matter would have unnecessary. but the point seems to have been to have a show place contempt, a contempt hearing to find maken contempt and to political hay out of what is more serious matter. thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> we now go to the gentleman from florida. >> thank you, mr. chairman and committee.the side of the aisle would have you believe that