if they won't be able to extract the pass des woword, we discove hey, i found these 30,000 credentials. here are 800 passwords. go target these users with social engineering tactics. you miss an opportunity. users do their annual security training. they don't think about it after that. they think and print the security certificate and hand it off to management. what if you could reach out and say, you should expect to be targeted with social engineering tactics. here is a link to some training. now, you are creating additional touch points to help them get engaged in the security process. to add on to that, fairly simple processes. if you have a critical user that can make changes to your administrative system. two people have to able to okay that companywide, you are lowering your risk quite considerably. >> terrific. >> greg, you and i spoke the other day about this. i wanted to give you a chance to talk about it. there are federal agencies integrating as part of this larger conversation. several mentioned leveraging technologies. you want to share what's going on with that per speck