dan wozniak went on trial first.onvict him of murder and sentence him to death. he's appealing his conviction. sam and julie's parents confronted their children's killer. >> you, dan, are a coward, and a poster boy for the need of the effective death penalty in california. my only regret that in this state, they won't let me kill this coward myself. >> you took advantage of my daughter's kindness and her care for your friend. you took her precious life and then you disgraced her by pulling off her pants. to you, my daughter was just a decoy. nothing else. >> the spotlight then turned to rachel buffett. she faced a felony charge, accessory after the fact. >> police and prosecutors don't believe you were honest with them. were you honest with them? >> i was. i know my heart and god knows my heart, and that's my comfort is god's in control, and god knows i'm innocent. >> you an honest person? >> i think so. to the best of my capabilities. i told the truth to try to help the police get to the bottom of things. my heart w

steve wozniak and i put a lot into it. >> the best thing about the technology, it gets better and betterhe worst it's going to be. >> mark, you had impeccable timing. it was in 1999 you sold, broadcast.com to yahoo. made you a billionaire many times over. no regrets about that one, huh? >> no, not at all. the technology was the worst it was. it's gotten better. the market was crazy then and it's crazy now. >> what do you think? on a personal level. >> bill gates is one of the most remarkable business people that has ever lived. >> to you like him? >> i neither like nor dislike bill. it's hard to have an emotional reaction to him. >> he's trying to kill you, is he not? not physically but -- >> bill is trying to kill everybody. >> there's many people, mr. gates, that look at your move in the gaming industry saying there he goes. the bully is back. he dominates our work lives and now trying to dominate our living rooms. what do you say to that? >> we're about giving people empowering tomorrows. if we can make a contribution, that is fantastic things. >> those that say you're trying to take

pacific and greg wozniak tweeting, unleashed these next six days, he says are going to speed by and september 14th that was when apple held its next big, vent a and mark your calendars, the next apple event 10:00 a.m. pacific. back to you. >> you know this company better than anybody do you have any idea what we could be looking at here are we talking hardware? software >> hardware could be a bet and that's speculation on my part, and you look at the product line and you think about the mac and the product that saw tremendous tailwinds throughout the pandemic and so many of us were learning, playing and working from home and we'll find out soon enough when tim cook takes the stage. >> i just bought a new macbook pro. they better not have an upgrade already, josh lipton thank you. back to our conversation, apple shares trading a touch lower again, most at risk headed into earnings and i don't want you to say mark bahamian is with amazon, however, he says as it relates to amazon's earnings and steph, i'm going to go to you on this, he says the street's revenue growth assumptions are aggressive

i think of the personal hobbyists of the '70s that steve jobs and steesh wozniak remembers, but othere time will tell ther experiments through the years where they didn't stand the test of time. we'll see. >> i feel you're not sold. you're not as sold on the metaverse as zuckerberg is. >> maybe, maybe, we'll see. >> new customers -- we will. new commerce, growing 20%, 250k. talk about what you see happening there because there was this big concern that covid pu pulled forward a lot of demand and new customer acquisition as everything went digital and all these companies went online. >> it's interesting. like i mentioned before, we have this usage-based press model our business is not selling seats. our business is fueling the ambitions of companies as they are entering the digital world as they have to excel and build new experience for their customers, and also they compete and win in this digital economy. so our growth really mears the growth of digital as an important part of our lives and every important part of the company as they make that transition as you can see, covid has ac

>> you know i think apple started in my parents' garage and and steve wozniak and i put a lot of yearsink apple has a lot to contribute. i think computer industry is still young. it made great technology really easy and approachable for people. i think people would be a slightly worse off place without apple computers. neil: apple is in talks with linking up, the rumors cover the gamut to oracle to sun microsystems. ultimately, staying independent is that the best route for apple in the future? >> you know i don't think about these things much. i just think the best route for apple to make some great computers to tell the world about them, hopefully sell a lot. that is what we're trying to do with the imac. i think we got a home run here. neil: do you ever get the feeling you're spreading yourself too thin? >> no, because we're extremely focused. we're focused on -- neil: focused? you're selling everything known to man. >> we're focused on e-commerce, what we're trying to build a place where people come and find and discover anything they might want to buy online, no matter how obscure