tonight, wraelly don't know which mitt romney showed up because president obama didn't allow him to pivot to the center this time. >> i think he wanted to force mitt romney on the defensive, his goal tonight. he did it over and over on every different issue. force him on the defensive. >> to the president's great on substance. >> the president got a b minus. >> a, another a. >> b. >> b. we talked about him, what do you think the president missed on substance? >> i think it was the emphasis, almost 100% on negative attacks against his opponent. there was no talk and i think even donna and matthew who were excited about the president's performance tonight would be hard-pressed to say he talked about the future. >> i agree with that. i think why i wouldn't have given him an a we still haven't heard from the president in my view, about the next four years, still a missing piece three weeks from election day. >> big ticket. who won? >> i said romney by a hair. >> obama because he did talk about education, as a passport out of poverty, talked about health care. i still believe that president ob