if this was anything like a private company, no, wren buffett would be shorting obamacare right now. >> but charlie, you're making -- >> you know that. >> i know that you are purposely making an unfair comparison, because, well, first of all, i disagree with you. >> it's a good program, the rollout was great. >> let me finish. i disagree that this will be a disaster the medium to long-term, nber one. >> what is your timer? >> let me finish. to suggest that this is something to quote/unquote needs to make a profit is misleading. you're changing the subject. >> what is your time verizon? five years? ten years? >> five years, yes. >> hold on one second, hold on one sukd. >> if this is not successful for five years, it is over. >> before that it might be over, but forgetting about profits, just making it work. whether you believe in the law or not, the way it's been administered so far, every single day, every single week, there's a hiccup and problem. this week if you have a baby, too bad. >> part of the problem is breaking even essentially and how is it going to get paid for. and so fa