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. >> i heard you speak on wrt radio yesterday, and you got on the subject of how this country is very polarized politically. >> right. >> and i think we all probably have relatives or friends who are on another, the other side of a gulf, and we can't communicate. and i think you went over four or five steps where it's possible to get over the gulf. >> right. so that is the ted talk that i mentioned. it was this, the distillation of what those people on twitter did for me and that i think, you know, those steps have a lot of power in bridging divides. so i'm literally just prpg dealing the best ideas. but the four points were to, one, not assume bad intent because, you know, when you're talking to somebody if you assume that they are just evil or stupid or delusional, you tend to stop actually listening to them. you're not actually hearing where they're coming from. and if you don't actually know what they believe, it's going to be very difficult for you to actually find a way to reach them. ich just said actually way too many times. [laughter] the second point was to ask questions bec