have to in a way that is effectively enforced and that is something, we have been working with wrush shawe need to broaden to work with a much larger array of countries. >> one aspect of that, and this plays into a little bit into my capitol hill background much easier for a appropriations committee to check a box related to metric related to portal monitors or radiation detection equipment or what have you as opposed to how many trainings have you done on export controls and how many people do you know have that border in kazakhstan who are not corrupt and doing their job and couldn't be bribed in some form or fashion. which makes for very fuzzy metrics and very difficult uphill battle in terms of some of the programs areas that doe in particular focuses on. >> a lot of fuzzy measures of success are very important. not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts. >> i think bottom line what the fissile materials working group would like to see eventually this stuff is eliminated. i mean locked down, secured but eventually eliminated. 2/3 of former s