now despite the fact that the covid outbreak clearly started in wuhan in china, the site of the wuhan institute for virology, a lab well known for gain of function research and research on confuse, many on the left could not fathom the possibility that covid originated in that lab. the world health organization immediately ruled out the possibility of a lab leak. dr. fauci claimed there was no evidence covid was made in chinese lab. help been told otherwise by a scientist in an e-mail early on. the washington times called the hypothesis a debunked conspiracy theory. face posts that called it man made echo chamber was in full gear. take a look. >> tom cotton a couple days ago spouting a conspiracy theory that the chinese made this up. >> in a lab in wuhan. >> rush limbaugh with zero proof suggesting a chinese bio weapon was to blame. >> we know it's deal bufrnthd that this was man mad. >> dr. anthony fauci rejected the fact that it was made in a lab in wuhan china yet this week donald trump is still pushing the debunk despite his own people telling him this is not true. >> if you look

but there is another lower-level bio safety level in wuhan. the wuhan center for disease control.g that of bats and coronaviruses. >> i do believe because it was at a level two facility, not level four. level two is very low-grade security that it did leak out as they are trying to create this monster in the virus with an eye towards creating a vaccine. >> reporter: we drove by in 2021. located just a couple of blocks from the seafood market. the chinese government has rep repeatedly denied claims that the virus was released from the lab. using digital articles, tv reports, documentaries, even a rap song. ♪ the aim, to sow doubt and deflect blame. they've also pushed conspiracy theories, including a lab leak, not a lab in wuhan. but this one. fort dietrich in the united states, the home of a u.s. army biological laboratory. though there is no evidence the virus leaked from here, that has not stopped chinese officials from pushing their version of a lab leak theory. monday's response from the foreign ministry also cited the world health organization, which throughout the outbreak,

however, i don't think the outbreak in wuhan was intentional.ould say it was because military scientists underestimate the transmissibility. that's when finally it got out of control and caused the local outbreak. however we should know ccp government intentionally made it to go all over the world to kill millions of people all over the world later. >> tucker: we just have to hope and pray that you will be interviewed by many other journalists in this country over the coming weeks now that this has been confirmed, you're an eyewitness you have a credible story to tell and i hope you're no longer ignored. li meng yan thank you seven. >> thank you tucker. >> tucker: so florida is technically a state but there's always been a little country within florida, its own mouse-dominated vatican called disney. but the new governor of florida, ron desantis, has put an end to disney's corporate control over state of florida and he joins us straight ahead to explain why and how. be right back. ♪ >> tucker: well, here's a trivia fact you may not have known. si

it was going to the wuhan cdc and the wuhan institute of vir r virology.nd they were keeping close and trying to make sure anyone we would speak with, they too would start trailing. so much so that some of the folks that we would interview and these are people that dealt with a lot of pain, lost their own loved one from covid we wouldn't hear from for several days after we interviewed them. it was likely they were being held and detained after talking with us. >> thanks for all your really excellent reporting in china. appreciate it very much. standby. we will get back to you as well. i want to bring in our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. right now there are basically two theories when it comes to the origins of this deadly coronavirus. it spread from animals to humans or the one currently gaining some traction. it spread from a lab in wuhan. what kind of evidence or investigation do we really need to prove it one way or the other and to learn lessons from this, so, god willing, it never happens again. >> right. i mean, i do think there are

i think likely the wuhan institute of virology. every one of the media outlets that echoed those talking points from the chinese communist party, every democrat poll its the that echoed those -- politician that echoed those talking points should be held accountable. but secondly, we need real transparency, and the government of china needs to be held accountable for the millions of lives that have been lost because of this virus, for the trillions of dollars of damage in terms of jobs destroyed, businesses destroyeded, the world economy brought to its knees because of china's culpability. elizabeth: senator, shouldn't the energy county and fbi disclose what they know? what is new intelligence? because, you know, we have been waiting three years already. three years is too long to wait. >> yeah. elizabeth: shouldn't they disclose it? >> absolutely, yes, this should be made public. the public has a right to know. not just the american public, the entire world. because china's culpability for covid is of relevance to every country on

it is going to the wuhan cdc.s going to the one institute of theology, it was going -- to that four spot where this is all amplified. they were keeping close, trying to make sure that anyone we would speak with, they too would then stop trailing. so much so, wall, some of the folks we did interview, and these are people that dealt with a lot of pain, lost loved ones during covid. we hear further we wouldn't care for them for several days after we interviewed. them and it was very likely that they were being held and detained after talking with us. >> david culver, thanks for all your excellent reporting. we appreciate it very much. standby, we'll get back to you as well. i want to bring in our chief medical correspondent, doctor sanjay gupta with the latest on where the health community stands on the lab leak assessment. sanjay, right now they're basically two theories when it comes to the origins of this deadly coronavirus. it's spread from animals to humans, or the one that currently gaining traction, that it sp

it happened in wuhan, the wuhan institute of virology doing biosafety level 2, the dentist office toour a space suit. we know that escape four times from beijing university overall energy. so we had leaks before and three researchers from the wuhan institute of virology went to the hospital with covid symptoms in 2019, november. we know they got sick. this is like a two-minute decision the first minutes we are talking. what is the evidence for natural release, no evidence that lance but that has inspire his. so there is zero evidence for natural release. i will tell you why they did this and with, because this was happening during the 2020 election. any effort to blame china was seen as deflecting from blaming donald trump here the goal was to blame donald trump to win the election. they played this down because anything they blame china was deflected from trump. >> kayleigh: that nails it. harris, look at this scientist debunk the lab. "the washington post" the new coronavirus obstinately released from wuhan lab is doubtful. cnn lied about dr. fauci and when your leader how suddenly

however, i don't think the outbreak in wuhan was intentional. i would say it was because military scientists underestimate the transmissibility. that's when finally it got out of control and caused the local outbreak. however we should know ccp government intentionally made it to go all over the world to kill millions of people all over the world later. >> tucker: we just have to hope and pray that you will be interviewed by many other journalists in this country over the coming weeks now that this has been confirmed, you're an eyewitness you have a credible story to tell and i hope you're no longer ignored.

army, one spokesperson from foreign affairs in china said brought it over to wuhan in 2019.nce of that. that is something they're putting out in the narrative to muddy the waters, to sew doubt and have blame here. they did have a field study. it happened in january of 2021. the who went there and, yes, as the chinese pointed out this morning, they said it's highly unlikely this started from a lab in wuhan. but w.h.o. also asked to go back for a phase. two the chinese said that is not going to happen. they denied that request. and even early on as the w.h.o. field team was there on the ground in wuhan, guys, they were denied a lot of the data firsthand. imagine trying to investigate a crime scenen that was pointed out by one of the investigators and you're sent there a year later after it was heavily sanitized and essentially wiped clean. >> obviously, there is an origin. it could have been, look, there could be a number of things. it could have started in the lab and then the market could have been a spreader. maybe into the community. so hopefully we'll figure it out. hopef

oh, i work at the coronavirus lab in wuhan. because there is a coronavirus loose in go louann, how did that happen? maybe a bat flew into the turkey and then it sneezed into my chili and now we all have coronavirus. >> wait a second. [applause] >> oh my god, there has been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near her, pennsylvania. what do you think happened? oh i don't know a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean. or it is the [bleep] chocolate factory. >> there you go, see. >> i love john stewart. >> i think he assessed that with high confidence. >> there was high confidence there. >> i do not think that my obsession or concern when it comes to covid is really where it began but as much as our response was to it. because, yes, we can certainly talk about the very beginnings of this virus. but the reason why the messaging got conflated and confused and very difficult for people to disseminate was that people were purposely trying to downplay the impact of the virus. that is early in 2020 and scott knows it. this is a fluke, it

anthony fauci rejected the conspiracy coronavirus was man-made in a lab in wuhan, china. this week donald trump is still pushing pushing the debunked. they like escape from a lab because it sounds like marvel comic book. both scientists and intelligence community agrees this coronavirus was not man-made peer that is not a possibility. >> there is no reason to believe any of these conspiracy theories that it was leaked from wuhan lab intentionally or otherwise. >> emily: it is shameful, tammy, as guy pointed out so much about becoming or even being confirmed it was true. and again, the fact that in verse wasn't proven to be true. so in the absence of any fact as people daring to ask questions, especially in the landscaped of grants to the wuhan lab wuhan lab and grants by china to the american universities and things like did obviate the need to ask questions. >> tammy: that is an excellent point. one of the most important points where this will land for the american people. that uniformity takes time and effort. they were not just coming to this point it is debunked in a

we also went to the wuhan cdc.hat because that has gotten an increasing amount of attention, john, in recent months and perhaps that is where a lot of the focus will be going forward because it's only two blocks from that market where the first cases were detected, john. >> david culver, appreciate the insights there. thank you. dr. megan rainey joins us and back with us, beth sander, the former director of national intelligence. doctor, let me start with you. after this came out the chinese foreign affairs ministry are saying china has always actively supported in origin tracings. they should stop vilifying china and politicizing the issue. that tells you china is done with this. it believes in its view it's answered the questions, no more. from a public health perspective, which is really planning for the next threat, does it matter if it was a lab leak or human transmission from the market? >> it matters because it can inform our steps for the prevention of the next pandemic. but we're not going to know likely,

the wuhan lab a 30 minute drive from the market.op a sophisticated air purification system and at the bottom underneath the lab decontamination that allows for safe sewage disposal. the research takes here on the second floor and some have questioned the lab staff training. the chinese raised concerns in 2018. at the time the director cooperative paper pointing out safety issues across all biosafety labs in china. he warned, in part, that there was a lack of operable technical standards. there is another lower level biosafety lab in wuhan. research was conducted here including bats and coronavirus is located just a couple boxes from the seafood market. the chinese government denied the claims that it leaked from a lab and its state media unleashed a relentless propaganda campaign. using digital articles, tv reports and documentaries and even a rap song. the aim come to sold out and deflect blame. monday's response from the foreign ministry said, in the world health organization. in january, 2021 the w.h.o. sent a team of internation

it most likely did comer on the of that wuhan lab. because that is where they were doing the research. and look at what china is doing, they won't tell us the truth about chinese police stations in the u.s., our chance farmland or -- or china farmland or what they are doing with t the confusous institutes or genocide they are carrying out on the uighurs or persecution of the tibetans or mongolians or hong kong freedom fighters, they don't want to talk about, that about being part of the axis of evil with russia, iran, and north korea, or xi jinping meeting with vladimir putin. kennedy: i'm glad you brought that up, we'll talk about that later, and affect that would have to the war in ukraine. and world war iii, senator blackburn you have your hands full thank you so, appreciate it. >> you got it. kennedy: back to career destroying sin of suggesting there was a lab leak, since early days scientists in world have pitched that theory. their fate was immediate shunning and cancellations. only ones that could get walker with it was jon ste

this is in the big city of you wuhan.raised their hands about it are dead and all of this evidence was clear and yet what a shame that the mainstream media canceled people, attacked people, called them conspiracy theorists for actually raising what was quite obvious at the time and remains obvious today. what i want to talk with you about is holding china to account. virginia governor glenn youngkin joined me yesterday on sunday morning futures to discuss the tactics that communist china uses to gain access to america's supply chain and its intelligence and what the u.s. is not doing about it. watch this. >> my business experience, i have actually sat across the table from leaders of the chinese communist party. i know exactly what they're doing and they are using their economic coercion tactics in order to gain access to our supply chain and that's exactly what they did to general motors back in 2016 when they demanded general motors dump korean battery manufacturer, supplier china and replace it with cattle, this chines

the samples at the wuhan in institute for virology destroys them. and they also disappeared the whistleblowers. now, i'll tell you, in a courtua of law, if you're facing a subpoena and you go and destro evidency evidence, you ca be held liable for that.no but t noonlyt only that, the jue will instruct the jury to draw you thate the ainst if you're destroying evidence, it's because the evidence demonstratesevdemons your guilt. in this instance, the fact that rid of china's first reaction was get rid of all the evidence shows that they knew they covered it up. china beare s the responsibility and the entire corporate media media, cnn, msnbc, all ofwashin the alphabet soup, "the washington post", the new york times, nogtt only did, they they not cover this, e they eagerly repeated talki the democrat talking pointsngs and the talking points from the chinese communis thet government. it was dishonest and profoundlny corrupt. senator , we kno w that china lied. we know that we fund the whl. we give them a fortune, millions and millions of dollars. they li

the virus originated from a lab in wuhan.acist. the white house's correspondent kevin corke is live with us. >>

energy department that the covid-19 pandemic likely began from a lab leak in wuhan, china. this all comes after the energy department updated its 2021 report with this claim, saying it made the new conclusion, based on new evidence coming to light. two sources telling cnn the department is issuing the report with, quote, low confidence. that's a term that doesn't mean that they don't believe their own conclusion. it means that the evidence as of now is only circumstantial. the new assertion reveals that the u.s. intelligence community is more divided than ever on how the pandemic began. four other agencies in the u.s. government said the outbreak began after the virus naturally jumped from animals to humans. on the other hand, the fbi agrees with the energy department conclusion that it was a lab leak. and the fbi confidence level in their conclusions is moderate. national security adviser jake sullivan weighed in with cnn's dana bash. >> some elements of the intelligence community have reached conclusions on one side, some on the other. a number of them have said they just

you think it came from wuhan the lab. >> i think it is obvious it came from wuhan.ih to delete gene sequences they submitted to a data bank? >> bill: thank you for your time and analysis today. >> dana: it is curious why the white house continues to do this. "wall street journal" had the headline not a consensus wuhan covid dodge? saying that part of being better for the next pandemic is knowing if humans played a role in creating this one. what is strange to me is if there is some reason they don't want to go ahead and commit to it, it is weird because as these things come forward, it will get closer to re-election time and at some point they will have to say this is it. maybe there is something going on with china behind the scenes. be great if they could leak that to one of their trusty sources they read about in the media all the time. we would at least understand what they're thinking. >> bill: we'll see if that's the case or whether they hold fast. so far they are. >> dana: we want to take you down to south carolina. a live look at the alex murdaugh trial down

did a lab accident in wuhan cause the covid pandemic? as house republicans are about to launch a new prime time investigation. >>> and toxic fears. safety concerns spreading far beyond ohio after contaminated waste from that train derailment was shipped out of state without warning. the environmental activist erin brockovich is back with us today. >>> plus, curveball. major league baseball's new rules already changing the outcome of the game. the mlb's dramatic changes to america's favorite past time. >>> good day. tensions with china escalating a beijing accusing the u.s. of quote, fanning the flames in ukraine. china saying the u.s. is using a double standard. arming ukraine while warning china against doing the same. secretary of state blinken and vice president harris had told the world about the possible change in china's policy not to provide lethal aid to putin. national security adviser, jake sullivan, repeating the warning on "meet the press." >> we haven't seen it yet. we're continuing to watch. we'll stay vigilant as president

the fact is that covid was first detected in that city of wuhan in the end of 2019. with transparency where initially it was trying to squelch scientists and medical professionals who are trying to talk about it back in late 2019 as recently as december of last year. the world health organization was criticizing china as covid was spreading out of control, destroying its zero covid policy that they weren't getting enough details about variance and information coming out of there. this will be added to the already existing list of areas of disagreement between washington and beijing. the surveillance balloon of china that went over the u.s., whether or not china will send arms to help russia in ukraine. the u.s. ambassador to beijing, nicholas burns, adding to this when he said that china will have to do more to explain the origins of this. already, chinese state media blasting him for those comments. wolf? >> ivan waltson in hong kong. let's discuss this and more with a key member of the house intelligence committee and the ranking member on the select committee on c

one is this virus emerged from wuhan. and the other is that from the very beginning chooen has -- china has not cooperated in giving the world health organization the raw data that they would need to determine exactly where this virus emerged from. and that's been the case from the very beginning. >> if the u.s. government were to conclude with the reasonable degree of certainty that it originated in a chinese lab, not intentional, but got out, what are the options going forward? how would that impact things? >> i don't see what you can do today because the chinese will never admit it. we're not going to go to war with them or sanction them over this. i don't think the rest of the world with -- would be with us. i think it is something the chinese have to think about because it would increase their isolation in the world. they have taken the decision basically to not release the raw data. they suppressed the information when the virus emerged, the information it was transmitted from humans to humans and suppressed their o

if you thought the wuhan virus might have come from a lab in wuhan that made viruses, the governmentled you crazy. they even censored you. the virus had to have come from a wet market. >> the sea the the sea sequences they evolve and mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species of an animal to a human. >> many of us feel that it is more likely this is a natural occurrence sars cov 1 animal reservoir to a human. we still don't know what the argument is. it is more likely to be a natural jumping of species from an animal reservoir to a human. >> jesse: but the first liberals who dared to think logically were the comedians there's a novel respiratory virus overtaking china, what do we do? do you know who we can ask the wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. the disease is the same name as the lab. [laughter] that's just a little too weird, don't you think? there has been an outbreak of chocolaty goodness near hershey pennsylvania. what do you think happened? like, oh, i don't know. maybe steam shovel made it with a cocoa bea

urology institute as well as in the cdc there in wuhan.ng for that subcommittee on covid will happen on march 8th according to a -- pamela brown, cnn, washington. >> just ahead the foodie is done in africa's largest democracy, but the anger and criticism over how the election was handled is growing. as many complain of voting irregularities. we will have a live report. ♪ this feels so right... ♪ adt systems now feature google products like the nest cam with floodlight, with intelligent alerts when a person or familiar face is detected. sam. sophie's not here tonight. so you have a home with no worries. brought to you by adt. [ marcia ] my dental health was not good. i had periodontal disease, and i just didn't feel well. but then i found clearchoice. [ forde ] replacing marcia's teeth with dental implants at clearchoice was going to afford her that permanent solution. [ marcia ] clearchoice dental implants gave me the ability to take on the world. i feel so much better, and i think that that is the key. scout is protected by simparica trio

the "wall street journal" had this op-ed the not consensus wuhan covid dodge the reasonable concern isavirus origin story back into an intelligence black box and hope everyone forgets about it. that would make president biden's job easier in dealing with china. but he wouldn't serve the u.s. or the world which have suffered greatly from the covid plague and deserve to know what the preponderance of the evidence says about its origin. it is interesting to see these dueling statements. >> interesting he was so definitive in your interview and clearly deliberately so. capable of dodging a question. >> bret: as we saw. >> as we saw in response to other questions. did he not dodge this question. so while i think you cannot yet say there is a consensus because there are still agencies and officials who do the animal transfer argument with this. this is enormously important in our efforts to avoid having this happen again and, also, are we going to hold china responsible? >> bret: it's also clear without china opening the books, josh, it's really going to be hard to get definitive, definitive

he decided to document the first lockdown in wuhan.e traveled there from beijing with fear and excitement. he found people there trapped behind the great wall of yellow. delivery staff handed food over the wall to people whose faces they couldn't see. some people even attempted to go outside the wall, seeking freedom. >> translator: this wall was designed to seal off the residents and contain infection. i believe this was march 2020. many people wanted to break through the wall. >> reporter: wuhan's situation spread throughout the country. shanghai was locked down for an extended period of time last year. people's freedom was restricted in many places. one visitor said remembering this experience is key to creating a better future. >> translator: i think wounds can heal better when we face what we have suffered, and we can find a better way to pass this story on to the next generation. >> translator: when people find themselves trapped and facing difficulties, they become impatient and seek help for the first time. i hope that people w

it happened in wuhan, the home of the wuhan institute of virology that studies bat coronaviruses.y were doing research, at biosafety level two instead of four, with spacesuits. three people from the wuhan lab got sick in november 2019 at the start of the pandemic and had to go to the hospital with covid symptoms. yeah, it didn't come from a lab. i mean, this is a two-minute decision. >> it's a long list. dana? >> let's talk about the government and the media response, because here's jonathan turley, what he wrote in the "new york post," that the covid lab leak is government censorship. that's the next step, if the government are willing to do introspection and ask themselves why did we insist on telling people it wasn't from a lab, when it could have been, even if it's low confidence, that is what they believe. >> why is there no 9/11 commission for the covid pandemic? we got so many things wrong from the response. you look at fauci's mistakes from the beginning of this, saying for six weeks that there was no community spread in the u.s. when it was, because they were using a flu

to wuhan.ut if you were in wuhan and wanted to fly abroad, no problem. that was their travel ban long before donald trump's travel ban. and meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of dead from chinese-made fentanyl that pours into our border every single day. what's joe biden saying to the chinese president about that? no one pollutes more than china. they fill our oceans with plastic and air with smoke. they also steal our technology, intellectual property theft is off the charts. they spy on our citizens. they threaten our allies. they suppress even the minority uighurs and now they're threatening taiwan. they're flying surveillance balloons over the continental united states and then when we shoot it down eight days later over our territory, they have the gal to threaten us, and yet your president joe biden is doing nothing but patting himself on the back. how does that make sense? why is he still allowing the communist chinese to buy up thousands and thousands of acres. look at this. this is farml

energy department says that covid probably and they stress probably leaked from a wuhan lab in china. china is saying now what is leaking out is a smear campaign orchestrated by the united states. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. what to make of these revelations and how they add to already tense relationship between ourselves and the chinese. for that we got the latest from capitol hill and our grady trimble. grade did i, how is this going down there? >> reporter: neil, for some it is an eye told you so moment here on the hill but for a while, at least from the start of the pandemic for a year or two that lab leak theory deemed by critics as fringe conspiracy theory. now it is the leading explanation for origins of covid at least according to the department of energy in that "wall street journal" report which cite ad classified government report. the energy department says it made its judgment with low confidence but it does join the fbi which had moderate confidence determining coronavirus spread via a lab mishap. several other government ages less clear. they still think it spr

the wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. the disease is the same name as the lab. how did this happen? they're like a penguin kissed a turtle. >> he had a better analogy. he talks be about how if there's a chocolatey brought cake came from if pennsylvania. what door through i'm came from? i don't know. maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean or maybe it bleep chocolate factory, right? this is before it was fashionable to talk about this. you remember the media coverage in the spring of 2020. "new york times," headlines, senator tom cotton repeats theory on coronavirus. theory, right? john harwood, a cnn white house -- >> martha: debunked theory. >> debunked or crazies. >> martha: they went after him because they remeeted a debunked theory which the department energy -- >> isn't that amazing? journalists believe that chinese communist government before our own senators that put forth a logical explanation. here's john harwood. he said the lab leak was used by donald trump to deflect blame from his administration. a fact checker lectured senator ted cruz. >> h

he called it the wuhan virus because the virus came from wuhan and there was a lab there that was experimentingh gain of function research on bat coronaviruses had signature similar to covid-19's virus. it was, the circumstantial evidence has been there staring us in the face yet there has been some lies, so many misdirections to the american people. stuart: well-said. miranda devine, thank you very much indeed. see you again soon. thank you. >> thanks, stuart. stuart: now this. toxic waste will resume shipping out of east palestine today after other states refused to be the dumping ground for the contaminated wreck. we have the latest on the train derailment cleanup next. >>> white house is defending the decision not to send f-16s fire are jets for planes. >> the question for f-16 is question for another day, another phase. this phase is about ground combat, being able to have the tools in the hands of the ukrainians to take the territory back that the russians are occupying. stuart: california congressman darrell issa just met with ukraine's zelenskyy. he will he will us what exactly zelensky

he was talking about the wuhan lab all the way back to februart it likely leaked from that lab.partment is now concluding covid most likely leaked from that chinese lab nearly three years ago. i asked the gatestone institute senior fellow gordon chang about this in the last hour. watch. >> the energy department conclusion is correct. clearly, this was a lab leak. the issue is whether the pathogen that causes covid-19 was engineered but i'm sure that it was engineered as well. we got to remember that china sent its top biological weapons expert to the bsl-4 lab in december 2019. i believe her job was to clean it up because they knew that there was a leak. maria: yes, and after course china has responded saying that people should, quote, stop rehashing the lab leak narrative, liz. the chinese communist party wants all of the speculation to stop, no investigation at this point, they still don't want investigators into the wuhan lab and, you know, joe bidens has not brought it up. >> if you remember, there was a big investigation, a lot of people from w.h.o., from our country around

that the virus was accidentally released from a lab in wuhan. that's his new angle to feed the wingnuts to treat this virus like it was a conspiracy of some kind. it should have never happened. this plague should never have happened. it could have been stopped. but people chose not to stop it. >> what people tomorrow he'll blame the spanish flu on antonio banderas. >> yeah. >> imagine if you're a comedian and all of a sudden your cue card has all kinds of talking points from politicians and foreign governments on it. don't read it. you degrade yourself and you become complicit in the greatest crime in history. so you have to ask, what role did the u.s. intelligence agencies play in all of this? of course, they knew well, at one point, msnbc's nicolle wallace, the single most dishonest person on television. >> now we're ever claimed it and we're quoting donald trump is turning his intelligence community to now investigate a conspiracy theory about covid coming from a lab. nguon, by the way, we're not watching this woman show, but she and tears to

the epicenter of covid was in wuhan, right down the street was the wuhan institute of virgin galacticcology other laboratories doing gain of function experimentation on coronaviruses. these labs also had a well- documented history of not following biosafety procedures so you don't have to be sherlock holmes to put the theses together to say this is a tremendous coincidence now is china ever going to give us definitive proof? no of course. they have buried the evidence. they have hidden the evidence and they will always deny but at this point the baseline assumption, the most obvious assumption really the only theory that makes any sense is that it came from the lab in wuhan, china. stuart: real fast here. you've wrote an op-ed. want peace with china, win the war before it begins. all right, lee, how do you win a war before it begins? >> sure. so, art of war sends you famous ly said that all wars are won and lost before they are ever fought, so what we do today or don't do today as it relates to china will determine whether we win or lose in a potential conflict with china, and i'll give you

energy shift was based in part on information -- center for disease controlled, the chinese cdc, in wuhan, was doing it around the time of the outbreak on a coronavirus variant. cnn has previously reported that the lab was studying coronaviruses in bats but it is unclear how closely related the variants were to the strain which started the pandemic. as for the energy department's new assessment, it is described as low confidence and a minority view apparently within the intelligence community. that said, it sparked new calls today from transparency from china. >> we would wish to see from the prc a greater degree of responsibility, a greater acknowledgment that it is in the interests of the chinese people, yes, we better understand the origins of covid-19, but it is in the or -- to understand the origins of covid-19. >> today's development also prompted to leading house republicans to send letters demanding the state department of energy and the fbi to provide testimony and documents related to the ongoing probe of the ten pandemics origin. china's foreign minister also weighed in, callin

the new intelligence points to a possible lab leak in wuhan, china.rine herridge has more. >> cameras went inside the wuhan labs as the pandemic unfolded three years ago. now, two sources close to the u.s. government probe into the origins of covid-19 tell cbs news there is new intelligence that points to an accidental lab leak. the sources had the energy department has low confidence in the new reporting, though it's not clear whether that reflects weak data or limited intelligence. >> we really do want to know what happened. >> reporter: the white house would not endorse the new findings. >> the intelligence, an end the rest of the governmnt is still looking at this. there has not been for native inclusions. >> reporter: intelligence agencies have not been able to agree on how thepandemic that killed more than a million americans started. several still point to the possibility of natural transmission through animals, the first major outbreak occurred at a wuhan wildlife and seafood market. getting answers from the chinese government or prc has been

government agencies that wuhan was the source of the lab leak.n the east room of the white house i had this exchange with then president trump. listen here. >> have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the wuhan institute of virology was the origin of this virus? >> yes, i have, yes, i have. >> what gives you a high degree of confidence it originated from the wuhan institute of virology. >> we don't know what he was referring to, and have not found out since but he was right. >> yeah, i mean, part of the problem, john, that the denial of the lab theory became part of the narrative against trump and how that plays out. the minute this was pegged as showing that trump is a racist, the media piled on and said all of this was a racism and trump and anyone who utters this theory is just outing themselves as the covid bull connors of our time. well, that has a public health impact. what should be a moment of shame for many in the media, they actively prevented a public health debate from occurring. they attack

many in the scientific community believe a large, outdoor wet market in wuhan is the most likely placere the virus started, jumping from animals to humans. >> to me, the scientific evidence, overwhelmingly supports natural origins. we know where the first cases of covid-19 appeared in this pandemic, and they are all clustered around a specific seafood market in wuhan. >> reporter: the chinese government also firing back at the idea that the virus came from a lab leak. >> reporter: the relevant parties should stop stir frying the argument of laboratory leaks, stop vilifying china and stop politicizing the issue of origin tracing. >> reporter: analysts say the chinese government's actions are a big part of why this mystery lingers. >> the china problem is the chinese are not being transparent and allowing outbreak of litigation, they destroyed the wet market after the virus emerged there, so it is going to get harder and harder to trace. >> reporter: also muddying the picture? some republicans in congress believe american funding for the chinese lab, money from the national institutes of

in the wuhan lab. i think that's exactly why he doesn't want any of this to come out, because it actually may point back to him or his agency, and it would be very embarrassing. and, frankly, now after he said he didn't do it in front of the senate, it could actually be criminal in nature. elizabeth: so -- because, to your point, he's misleading, committing perjury? >> yeah, absolutely. so, yeah, we need to get to the bottom of it. elizabeth: okay. >> and no matter what dr. fauci said, we need to get to the bottom of it. maybe he had nothing to do with it, but we need to get to the bottom of it. elizabeth: senator rand paul said is dr. fauci set up waivers so gain of function research could bypass internal committee are reviews. there's also this, you know, the white house keeps talking about there's no intelligence community consensus on what happened here, but so what? congressman, when was the last time you heard any consensus in the intelligence community? [laughter] i mean, look at the 51, you kno

they're concerned with what kinds of things were going on inside wuhan.ys. they're not sure it is what it is, but they're leaning much more in favor what was once considered to be a fringe theory, the lab theory. it's no longer consideredtheoryt unproven. >> certainly, this will only grow murkier here in the aftermath of this report. michael, tell us a little bit about what the next steps might be, other investigations being launched by the u.s. government, and could there be any sort of disciplinary action take against china is a more definitive conclusion is reached? >> i doubt the latter. what is going to happen the next few months is the congress is getting involved in this. the unclassified product the intelligence community shared with the american public is bare bones, 17 pages. the fbi said it had moderate conference. it hasn't testified to congress or spoken to the public. lawrence livermore, which has done some work on this, hasn't spoken directly to the congress in a public forum or to the american people. i think the congress is going to dig i

a new investigation from the department of energy says that covid most likely leaked from a lab in wuhan, china. the biden white house insists the conclusion is not etched in stone and where we find peter doocy on day two on this. >> good morning, bill. nobody around here is jumping to any kind of conclusions until some additional intel agencies say that covid came from a lab. >> trying to find the origins of covid a priority. when he came into office and a whole of government effort designed to do that. there is not a consensus right now in the u.s. government about exactly how covid started. >> that is disputed by many critics on capitol hill. however, some trump-era health officials say the biden administration is right to have the doe in the lead. >> i note that both the f.b.i. and now the department of energy have come to the conclusion that they believe this virus came from the wuhan lab. what's important about their workforce is they have an enormous, powerful scientific workforce. i think they did approach this in an aggressive, scientific way. >> stories about the lab leak were

what he said about the new reporting that covid leaked from a wuhan lab. that's the intelligence report from the department of energy. they have a very sophisticated intelligence division called the z division. what did they find out that made them change their mind? breaking right now, president biden is speaking in virginia at this hour saying the gop is touching that third rail on social security and medicare. wait until you see who is talking about saving those programs now. economists steve moore and robert wolf debate next. >> if anyone tries to get rid of social security and medicare,ly veto it. if that's the republican dream, i'm their nightmare. oh yeah, that is them. (that is howard) yeah, that's on howard's campus. ohhh, she's so powerful, she carried on the family legacy. we were blown away. (chuckles) i not only was a student and an undergrad, but i've been a professor there for twenty years, so it's really a special moment to know that i had a family member who over a hundred years prior have walk these grounds. it's deeply uplifting. yes, it

it said it came from wuhan. speaking of wuhan, "new york post" headline of the day, "it had to be wu." john ratcliffe, thank you, sir. 10 past the hour now. let's get to this. cleanup of contaminated waste in the toxic ohio train derailment starting back up today after the epa temporarily paused it over the weekend, despite assurances from the feds that the water and the air are safe and ohio's governor told us that on friday as well. many in and around east palestine say they are struggling, falling ill. our fox news medical contributor, dr. mark segal is there, on the ground, talking to residents today. listen. >> are you anxious and nervous, it's taking so long to get medical treatment? >> it's nuts. you'd think we could get daily and correct information. it's like pulling teeth. >> where is president biden? do you want to see him now? >> no, no. you know what, i shouldn't say that. we'll take any help we can get. within this town, no matter your political affiliation or views, we need help and we need answer

the new intelligence points to a possible lab leak in wuhan, china.atherine herridge has more. >> reporter: cameras went inside the wuhan labs as the pandemic unfolded three years ago. now two sources close to the u.s. government probe into the origins of covid-19 tell cbs news there is new intelligence that points to an accidental lab leak. the sources said the energy department has low confidence in the new reporting though it's not clear whether that reflects weak data or limited intelligence. >> we really do want to know what happened here. >> reporter: the white house would not endorse the new finding. >> the intelligence community and the rest of the government is still looking at this. there's not been a definitive conclusion. >> reporter: intelligence agencies have not been able to agree on how the pandemic that killed more than a million americans started. several still point to the possibility of natural transmission through animals. the first major outbreak occurred at a wuhan wildlife and seafood market. getting answers from the chinese go

wuhan china, this particular city, where the americans were secretly engaged in some dark deeds in theal biological laboratory, will later be called the hotbed of the coronavirus. vanga warned about this at the dawn of the nineties , many and unknown diseases will appear people will fall on the street for no apparent reason and at first glance, a healthy virus is already in south korea january 21, united states january 22 thailand france australia the thirtieth world health organization declares a state of emergency 22.02. ago vanga said the day when vaccine trials on volunteers began in china new year begins on 22, when saints rise and birds fly in from the south, it is hard for the country to develop immunity with losses. the west lives by the formula. every man for himself americans and europeans steal medical supplies from each other. and only russia comes to the rescue, abandoned by the allies of italy, our army doctors, who defeated the famine. now they are saving the italians to the european press about this of course, the world crown comes silently down, the crisis, industrial

not allowing any investigation into wuhan. a million plus americans are dead.rty over decades. now this. the surveillance balloons breaching our territory air space and on the ground. and what have we done? what kind of rea correspondencee given? canceling a trip. we canceled antony blinken's trip. that's what we did. >> that's it. we've not only done nothing. we've actually aided and abetted the chinese communist party under the biden administration. your question was what more needs to happen. i'm not sure. i can't imagine during the height of the cold war, maria, that the united states would even have tolerated 10% of this nonsense from the soviets. we certainly would not have tolerated that by our advairlys leading up to world war i or world war ii. this is the point for americans across the political spectrum. the chinese believe they are at war with us. at what point -- at what point will the president of the united states actually lead us into a war footing with this country, hopefully one that does not spill any american blood but one that at least lead

they did not let that team back into wuhan, china.e're hearing from some of those scientists that were a part of that and they told me early on they asked for data from the chinese officials on the ground and that data was never handed over to them. >> david, thank you for the reporting, and stay with us here. cnn national security analyst is joining the conversation. she's former assistant secretary at the department of homeland security. juliet, how much credence should people give a most likely report from the energy department in which they only have low confidence? >> right. and not much. and i'll just be clear here. you have to look at the totality of the intelligence community's assessment. so it may be confusing to people who haven't been in this role. i have been a consumer of intelligence my entire career. so you have four -- so what happens when there is a question like this is different intelligence communities assess what they know and what they have determined. you are going to rely on the expertise of certain intelligen

department report said it's found the virus may very well have accidentally escaped from a lab in wuhanng to a debate in this country and globally as to exactly how and where the virus originated. cnn's natasha bertrand has been following the latest. natasha, we should note, this is a low-confidence intelligence assessment, but it did change at the d.o.e. they cited new intelligence. do we know why their assessment changed? >> we don't, jim. all we know is that they appear to have gathered some new intelligence that made them shift their opinion from undecided to now believing that the most likely explanation for how this pandemic began was that it originated in that lab in wuhan. now, we should note, of course, as you did, that this is a low-confidence assessment, which means that even though they did conclude that this is perhaps the most likely explanation, they cannot say that with utter certainty, because the intelligence that they gathered, perhaps, is too fragmented, the sources are not solid enough, and essentially, they just cannot come to a more definitive conclusion, based on

i can name kung flu -- wuhan. wuhan was catching on. coronavirus, right? kung flu? >> the republican party loves a punching bag, especially when that punching bag is not america. and the party that has built its platform on nativism and isolationism also loves to fearmonger about foreign threats. so, when an opportunity arose, literally, 60,000 feet in the air, the gop had a field day. >> the next balloon might be filled with another virus. pop -- all over, we are all on ventilators again. now, how do we know that the next balloon is not loaded up with bioweapons, just a little seepage over nebraska. there goes the heartland. >> what is your greatest concern, as we track something that is the size of three buses, now, that china says was taken by wind, wind that we cannot substantiate? >> my concern is that the federal government obviously does not know what is in that balloon. is that bioweapons in that balloon? you've got ballooned take off from wuhan? we don't know anything about that balloon. >> that was a republican chair of the house oversight committee. and h