think there are other questions surrounding the lab and other activities of other medical institutes near the wuhan institute of virologyit is also -- the head of the chinese cdc is there. there is the wuhan institute of biological products which develops vaccines so i think there is a lot of question about the activity going on there. the question going forward is how do we set up a system that helps detect early pandemic outbreaks and move quickly to stem them. host: sue, you are on the air. caller: back in january 2019, there was a chinese reporter that reported all of and she had pictures of one guy in the hospital. i want to know if you know anything about that. my next question is isn't there an international lawyer that has brought papers up at the hague for a trial there? guest: good questions. i am unaware of activity at the hague. there was some earlier reporting and china, january, 2020, right after the pandemic began. that is my understanding. there was some reporting done by chinese journalists, bloggers, activists, and that was shut down quickly, and scientists in china were told not to speak out on this t

he stands to get crushed if it turns out taxpayer dollars that he helped funnel to the wuhan institute of virologyany way played a role in this pandemic. >> you gave them money and said don't do gain of function research and they said we won't. >> correct. >> you have no way of knowing whether they did or not accept you trust them. is that right? >> well, we generally always trust the grantee to do what they say. >> how do you know they didn't do the research and not put it on their website? >> there is no way of guaranteeing that. laura: right them another check all the dice. that is why the gop, the nih and all other parties involved in this gain of function money-laundering scheme. the more the lies and distractions from china in the us are exposed, the greater the chance that republicans have of retaking congress in 2022 and retaking the white house in 2024. right now that seems like the only way we are going to get real trustworthy answers about the origins of covid and we need those answers and that is the angle. joining me now is someone who has been out front on china, indiana congressman

out a nearly insurmountable large amount of evidence that this virus originated in the wuhan institute of virology in central china. it seemed to make sense, we raise the possibility from the early days of the pandemic. but this piece all but proves it. at the time the outbreak began last fall, the wuhan land was conducting experiments on how to make bad viruses infectious to human beings and they were funded by american tax dollars, the experiments were there funding approved and directed by tony fauci in washington. tony fauci. it's hard to believe but it's true, the piece lays it out. many of the experiments fell under the direction of a chinese researcher emma known as the bad lady, china's leading expert on bad born viruses, her job was to engineer corona viruses so that they infect human beings and do so as easily as possible. this work, nicholas wade notes, doing gain of function experience designed to make

have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the wuhan institute of virology was the origin of this virus? >> yes, i have. yes, i have, and i think that the world health organization should be ashamed of themselves because they're like the public relations agency for china, and this country pays them almost $500 million a year, and china pays them $38 million a year, and whether it's a lot or more doesn't matter. it's still, they shouldn't be making excuses when people make horrible mistakes, especially mistakes that are causing hundreds of thousands of people around the world to die. i think the world health organization should be ashamed of themselves. >> that from former president trump in april of last year. again, the u.s. to now redouble its efforts to investigate the source of coronavirus, the statement from president biden yesterday and michael is on the phone from bellville, new jersey. good morning, michael. >> hi, good morning. well, thank you for c-span. i definitely think that there needs to be more investigation into the sources of coronavirus. i

he could get crushed if taxpayer he funneled to the wuhan institute of virology played a role in thisdemic. >> you said don't do gain of function research and they said we won't? >> correct. >> you had no way of knowing whether they did or not except you trust them, is that right? >> well, we generally always trust the grantee to do what they say. >> how do you know they didn't do the research and not put it on their website tlngets is no way of guaranteeing that. >> laura: write them another check --. the more the lies and distractions from china and the u.s. are exposed. the greater chance that republicans have of retaking congress in 2022 and the white house in 2024. right now that seems like the only way we will get real trustworthy answers about the origins of covid. we need those answers. that's the "angle." joining me now is someone who has been outfront on china. indiana congressman jim banks. the "new york times" reports that the biden administration has a raft of unexamined evidence. they should not have cancelled the investigation that mike pompeo started. this gets worse b

take a listen. >> translator: the wuhan institute of virology chinese academy of sciences issued a velant statement on march 23rd this year. stating that before december 20th 2019 coronavirus was not contracted at the wuhan institute of virology, until now there has been zero infection of staff and post-graduate students at the institute. the united states continues to hype the lab leak theory, does it care about origin tracing or is it just trying to divert attention? >> reshaping this to suggest that the united states is hyping things, and state media there calling this a complete lie, those words attributed to the director of the wuhan national biosafety lab. i want to show you some video, ana, of when we were there in january of this year. we've made three trips in the past year. the most recent quinn sided with the w.h.o. field team likewise on the ground there, they were doing firsthand investigations, now that team in and of itself has also faced a lot of scrutiny, folks suggesting it's been heavily influenced by china, one of the members having done previous research in the wuh

his organization funded coronavirus research at the wuhan institute of virology. e was, also, part of the w.h.o. team sent to china to investigate the origins. so, let's now go to one of the first people to connect the dots on the lab-leak theory. that is, jamie metzel, former nsc staffer under president clinton. jamie, thank you. let us start with the most flagrant of the notions and work our way towards where you think we are best suited, in this moment. they did it. they weaponized it. and they did it to hurt us. and then, they sent it to us. do you believe that? >> yeah. i think that's extremely unlikely. as you've mentioned, i have been -- i was one of the worst people to raise very, very significant questions about the origins of the pandemic. and the likelihood, even as i see it, that this stems from a lab accident. but the idea that they weaponized it, and purposefully released it just doesn't make sense. i've seen no -- even circumstantial -- evidence suggesting that. and it wouldn't really make sense, because they understand that -- that viruses are uncon

the new and compelling evidence originating as the wuhan institute of virology. the lab that studies deadly coronaviruses. from cellphone data showing a shutdown at the lab in the fall of 2019. reports of hospitalized workers in november of 2019. china's silencing of journalists and doctors and whistleblowers. we have covered the real possibility that the wuhan lab was the origin of covid-19. during trump administration the media mob called this a conspiracy theory. the "new york times" said the lab has been the focus of unfounded conspiracy theories promoted by the trump administration about the pandemic's origins. the "washington post" called it a superior theory that was already debunked. one voice fake news cnn called it a conspiracy theory that is certainly not true. the ap, said it was a myth survive online. political reported it was the center of a trump driven conspiracy theory and an expert said there was no debate. nonewhatsoever. this virus did not come from a lab in wuhan. they had this all wrong. you decide. >> the virus hunters have looked at what th

taxpayer funding that went to gain of function research at the wuhan institute of virology and the evidencetinues to stack up in favor of the lab leak hypothesis. even china's version of the cdc dismissed the wet market hypothesis, so why won't they ask basic questions of dr. fauci given that they have him on every single sunday show, every week and instead he gets asked questions about seasonal mask wearing and how we have 80% of americans vaccinated. kids have to be vaccinated and they're asking him every question except for the question that matters. we need to get to the bottom of this and for no other reason as you suggested, we can't allow this to happen again. more to the point, there are those proposing that we are going to increase funding from over 200 million to 1.2 billion to gain of function research. that would be insane if the lab leak hypothesis is correct as i think the evidence suggest it might be. >> tucker: i think i misread the story from the first day. i imagine that the media blackout on the origins of the coronavirus was designed to protect the chinese government. bu

intelligence, in november of 2019, three researchers from china's wuhan institute of virology were sick enough to warrant hospital care. it went beyond what the state department had revealed in the final days of the trump administration when it said that several researchers came sick with symptoms consistent with covid. november is when many believe the virus began circulating around the city of wuhan. the latest in a series of revelations that have caused many who initially dismissed the lab leak theory to reconsider. among those is donnell g. mcneil jr. a former science writer for "the new york times" who recently published an essay titled how i learned to stop worrying and love the lab leak theory. he credits a former colleague for causing his reflection. that former colleague is nicholas wade who, himself, wrote recently for the bulletin of atomic scientists. wade does not come to a conclusion but says neither the natural escape theory nor the natural emergence ehypothesis cn be ruled out. he noted this. because president trump said the virus will escaped from a wuhan lab, editors g

the compelling evidence, originating at the wuhan institute of virology. you know, lab that studied deadly coronaviruses, from cell phone data showing a potential shutdown of the lab in the fall of 2019. reports of hospitalized workers in november of 2019. china's silencing of journalists and doctors and other whistleblowers. we have long now covered the very real possibility that the wuhan lab was the origin, was the source, of covid-19. during the trump administration, so-called journalists, so-called fact checkers, the media mob in general, they called this a debunked conspiracy theory. the "new york times" reporting, "the lab has been the focus of unfounded conspiracy theories promoted by the trump administration about the pandemic's origins." "washington post," those genuses, called it a conspiracy theory that was already debunked. politifact rated it a debunked conspiracy theory. cnn called it a conspiracy theory that "almost certainly is not true." npr, national propaganda radio that you pay for, they reported scientists had debunked the theory. the

career on gain of function research with the wuhan institute of virology. only american that was allowed on the w.h.o. investigative team, the one person in the world who has the biggest conflict of interest in the one person we allowed to investigate the wuhan institute of virology. that's insane and for him to go out there and say that we have hope that the w.h.o. is going to investigate and the more transparent answer, but that's unacceptable. we can't rely on the w.h.o. corrupted by the chinese communist party to get to the bottom of this. independent investigation, do all the intel declassified and final thing i say it's the community corrupted by the same scientists that we are relying upon in april. 2020, the dni went out there and said the intel community agrees as our natural emergence and i guarantee. >> laura: i've got to ask you, what do we get for all the money that we give to the intel community? we are funding a woke military right now that's doing medical for race theory and all the cartoon recruitment ads pushing the social justice issues a

we could have cent money through echo health alliance, money could have ended up in the wuhan institute of virologystitute was one of 12 research groups that received money for this bat coronavirus research project. there was another round of funding approved for the project from the nih, but it was killed by the national institute of health last year, in the middle of the pandemic, over concerns of what was going on in the lab. a deputy director with the nih wrote to echo health alliance asking them to stop this research, saying there are serious questions that there are biosafety concerns of what is happening in this wuhan lab. neil? neil: all right hillary vaughn thank you very much but now, to hillary's point you need the chinese to cooperate on such an investigation, and let's just say they are not cooperating, and they don't think that this is even necessary, that this is just united states trying to embarrass them, congressman mike gallagher, the republican congressman with us right now. congressman, we really can't move forward unless, and until, the chinese say we can. the world can. the w

francis collins, told lawmakers today that money did make its way to the wuhan institute of virology ide group called eco health alliance. that group was awarded by the nih a $3.7 million grant. eco health gave $600,000 of it to the wuhan lab for a china bat research project. that project helped build the library of 15,000 bat samples, 400 new coronaviruses were discovered including one that had a 96% match to covid-19. lawmakers today wanted to know if the wuhan lab could be using this babb library of viruses to try to engineer one to be more dangerous and more contagious, something called gain of function research. >> we're of course not aware of other sources of funds or other activities that they might have undertaken outside of what our approved grant allowed. >> so we could have sent money through eco health alliance, money could have behinded up in the wuhan institute of virology, which might be doing gain of function research. >> dr. fauci was also asked today at a separate event if it's possible that the virus escaped from a lab. >> we don't know 100% the answer to that. sinc

of wuhan. wuhan is the home of institute of virology as you learned to know.onducted gain of function research on bat coronavirus viruses? what is that? what is gain of function? what does it mean? modifying a virus to make it contagious and dangerous to study it and hopefully stop it. we know that the lab had notoriously bad safety standards seems like a bad combination. we also know u.s. tax dollarsy used to help fund this research and makes it particularly difficult to hold china's feet to the fire kind of hard to ask tough questions which our money is involved, wouldn't you think? today senator rand paul did just that. >> dr. dr. fauci, do you still support funding of the nih funding of the lab in wuhan? >> senator paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the wuhan institute. >> brian: all right, with all due respect dr. anthony fauci that's a highly misleading statement. he is right when he says the nih never directly funded the institute of virology,

reports proven workers at the wuhan institute of virology became sick as early of decembew dr. anthony fauci reverses quote saying, quote, he's not convinced that coronavirus developed naturally. senator tom cotton from arkansas and former director of national intelligence john ratcliffe and world health organization told me yesterday on sunday morning futures all coming up. markets are bouncing, take a look at futures on the upside. dow industrials up 150 points, half percent and the nasdaq up 87 and the s&p 500 higher by 21 as we kick off the new week, following week of wild swing last week. dow and s&p 500 finishing red and nasdaq seeing first positive week in more than a month. nasdaq up a third of a percent last week. this morning european markets look like this. stocks are edging higher in euro zone. ftse 100 up 23 and cac up 10 markets, markets in germany closed for holiday this morning. in asia fractional moves. take a look at asian markets overnight. biggest mover overnight was the kospi index korea down one-third of 1%. crypto crash, bitcoin tumbling more than 50% fro

and even as we drove by here as you're seeing the wuhan institute of virology, we had people following in vehicles, likely government officials, not interfering with our reporting but certainly wanting to know what we were doing. as you look at the wuhan institute of virology, which is really the center point and heavy focus for this possible origin theory, you notice it's well fortified. there's a lot of security. us trying to go out of our vehicle and knock on the door to get in is simply not possible. we've made several requests, don, to speak to the researchers there, to speak to the director, to get access ourselves t. that has been denied repeatedly. >> appreciate you joining us from shanghai this evening. >>> a plane flies from one democracy to another, only to be forcibly diverted by a dictator and passengers dragged off. >>> plus a former nba star turned away by an upscale restaurant, and he says it was racism. i'm going to speak with dominique wilkins straight ahead. t: it even kills the covid-19 virus. science supports these simple facts. there's only one true lysol. lysol.

categorically has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the wuhan institute of virologysteve: that is dr. fauci's big lie. since january, our special investigation into origins of the pandemic has laid out in detail the public record of the specific projects through which the nih did fund gain of funk function research it is so easy to prove that what dr. fauci said is a lie just by looking at public documents on dr. fauci's own web site is a big lie. people might believe it. they might believe, that fauci's boss. >> let me be clear, we never approved any grant that would have supported gain of function research on dangerous coronaviruses to see if they could be more transmissible -- lethal for individuals or the human species. steve: really, in 2011, you were all for it -- saying a dangerous virus from the laboratory is quote, a risk worth taking, that is why you funded it. this week, dr. fauci said that is incorrect. okay then. here we go. in 2020, niaid up initiated a project, titled understanding risk of back coronavirus emergences, we'll put the links up to the docu

but again, we have not funded gain of function research on this virus in the wuhan institute of virology. >> you are parsing words. there was research done with dr. xi and dr. behr yok, collaborated on gain of function research where they enhanced the sars virus to infect human airway cells and did it by merging a new spike protein on it. that is gain of function. that was joint research between the wuhan institute and the doctor. you can't deny it. >> your time has expired. we need to move on. i will allow you to respond to that and we'll move on. >> i just wanted to say i don't know how many times i can say it, madam chair. we did not fund gain of function research to be conducted in the wuhan institute of virology. >> bill: thank you, senator. >> thank you, chair murray and for our panelists today. i want to just follow up. >> harris: we have been watching testimony there and questioning by senator rand paul with dr. anthony fauci full committee hearing today and an update from federal officials on the effort to combat covid-19 and it got combative between senator rand paul and dr. fa

fauci said there was no money provided to the wuhan institute of virology but there was, it was lawn by the ecohealth alliance, by peter dasek only american on the investigation they did. $1.5 million went directly to the wuhan institute of virology t was used in the gain of function testing. we'll find that out that will be the truth. elizabeth: so epthe books. >> open the books. let us see. elizabeth: open the books. >> we already know, there is big problems here that indicate this was going on. this virus has never been identified in the wild. there is not an organism or animal out there we know this virus exists in, yet we know when this happened at least three members back in november before the chinese declared that the first case of the virus had taken place in china were hospitalized with symptoms consistent with coronavirus. and we also know that they shut roads down around the wuhan institute of virology. there was a party where there was absolutely no cell phone activity there. so a lot of strange stuff was happening right around the time this virus would have broke out. i

the biden administration stopping a state department inquiry into the wuhan institute of virology as cause and catalyst of covid-19 pandemic. inquiry started by former secretary mike pompeo last fall and the administration says, they were, quote, concerned of the quality of its work despite handing reins to the world health organization. markets this morning are pointing a gain at the start of trading. s&p 500 higher by 11 and a quarter. dow industrials down by 81 and s&p giving up 9 points at 4:00 o'clock on wall street. the ten-year treasury is below 1.6% mouth day in a row. we are watching interest rates this morning. european markets this morning are flat. take a look at european indices where we see markets finishing mostly higher. asian indices up pretty much across the board. kospi down just a frank. mornings with maria live right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ maria: now, some of the top stories that we are watching this morning. senate republicans are working on their own spending bill and focused only on infrastructure. it's in response to biden administration $1.7 trillion proposal, gop

wuhan. institute of virology. either way, this is a total revision of dr. fauci's position. just a few days ago, he was incensed, outraged by the suggestion he funded gain of function experiments in china. now he is conceding it's possible. but, of course, he's always known it was possible. the grant dr. fauci approved for researchch supports these experiments. in 2014, tony fauci and ia grant called understanding the risk of bat coronaviruses and that was overseen by peter who told the world in high volume there is no chance this virus escaped the lab and was appointed by the world health organization to investigate covid and declare the wuhan lab blameless. what a scam? the grant from dr. fauci said it will fund testing coronavirus using reverse genetics and: oh! receptor binding essays and virus infection experiments across different species and humanized mice. actually that's quite a broad range. run that by any scientist and they will tell you a lot fits under that description. but specifically, what did those virus infections experiments with bat coronaviruses consist

he had to be aware of the fact that china's wuhan institute of virology was involved in that and they in terms of our own techniques on how to conduct gain of function and make these viruses more deadly. so he has got to come clean from my standpoint. elizabeth: senator, let's move on to this story if i may, the fbi now investigating a suspicious package filled with white powder with a death threat sent to republican senator rand paul's home in kentucky. senator rand paul blaming twitter for not stopping violent tweets or threats against him and his family. the senator will be speaking with twitter. what do you think of what is going on with social media and violent threats against conservatives? >> it is a very unfortunate world we live in today where politics turned into these types of repugnant threats. let's face it, social media is not helpful from this standpoint the way they have taken sides in the political realm. they are part and parcel with the democratic party. they pushed the russian hoax. they censored information, i think life-saving information when it comes to early t

intermediate horseshoe bats for research, then 7 miles away was another facility called the wuhan institute of virologye wuhan institute of virology also conducted research on intermediate horseshoe bats. so the conclusion is obvious, "the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in wuhan. that was the first week of february in 2020. that research sat on the internet for weeks before the chinese authorities finally pulled it down and they have. we don't know what happened to people who wrote it but we have a copy. the amazing thing is even though this was public, health officials in the west ignored it completely. when they were asked about the possibility that this virus had come from a lab in wuhan, they became hostile and hysterical. in a post on the national institutes of health web site, francis collins who should know better dismissed all questions about a lab leak in wuhan as "outrageous," like you were sinful for asking the question. they were not outrageous, they were entirely plausible. last fall, we spoke to someone with firsthand knowledge of the subject, an eminent chinese

this notion the united states should work with china, these grants from the nih go to the wuhan institute of virologyrology and infectious diseases and we've had this whole notion we've got to cooperate with the chinese but i think this was a lab leak in the other thing, we haven't had any evidence of synodic transfer that this was a natural progression of the disease from a bat to a human. they've not been able to find a reservoir, they've not been able to document the transmission links to humans which means they've got nice. on the other side but can't prove it so now we have to think the on thinkable that this was a biological weapon the china tried to hide. >> china has been set up for a while funding free things they can, giving you something for free. at some point in the future they will want something and in this case allegiance. want your thoughts on this, peter doocy asking jen psaki what the white house is going to do about it, take a listen. >> weiss and president biden pushing for more access, more information to get to the bottom of exactly what happened? >> we are we have repeatedly c

of function research in wuhan couldn't sleep because she was terrified it might be in her lab. dr. barrett, an advocate of gain of function research said the main problem that the institution of virology had it happened in close proximity. what are the odds? could you rule out a laboratory escape? the answer in this case is probably not. will you in front of this group categorically say that the covid-19 could not have occurred through serial passage in a laboratory? dr. fauci: i do not have any accounting of what the chinese may have done. and i'm fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in china. however, i will repeat again. the n.i.h. and niad categorically has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the wuhan institute of virology. senator paul: we have 11 labs doing it and you have allowed it. we have a committee to do it but the committee is granted every exception. you're fooling with mother nature here. you're allowing superviruses to be created with 15% mortality, it's very dangerous and is a huge mistake to share this with china and it's a huge mistake to allow this to continue in the united states. we should be very careful to investigate

>> right, there is also the question of what exactly the wuhan institute of virology was studying in sample they had was 96% similar to covid which suggests there's some degree of plausibility it could have come from the lab but the fundamental problem the chinese authorities simply allowed for an open investigation, it's going to be controlled by them and nothing that would make them look bad would be allowed to come out so unless there is a weaker or person who comes forward, it looks like it's going to be difficult to get that smoking gun and it's the question of what it looks like. paul: i guess dan, the other bits of circumstantial evidence is there hasn't emerged any alternative natural explanation. so far the chinese have refused to turn over their records and have access to the people at the w iv. >> the internal explanation was a natural source, they have weakened clearly and it's looking more and more like it came out of this virology lab. the question in my mind, if we establish that were come to a logical conclusion it originated there, what we do next about that? this cau

that for years, tony fauci signed off on funding for a gain-of-function experiments at the wuhan institute of virologyauci approved that funding despite a federal moratorium on gain-of-function experiments because they are dangerous. now we know that wuhan lab was almost certainly where the coronavirus pandemic began. finally, someone asked fauci about this. at a hearing today, rand paul became the very first. here is part of the exchange. >> dr. fauci, do you still support funding of the nih funding on the lab in wuhan? >> senator paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the wuhan institute -- >> do you fund dr. barrett's gain-of-function research? >> dr. barrett is not doing gain-of-function research, and if -- >> a bad -- at least 200 scientists have signed a statement from the cambridge working group saying that it is a gain-of-function. >> well, it is not. >> tucker: oh, so he just flat out denied it. but if you listen carefully and if you kept listening, fauci admitted that actually, he may

. >> we learned that several researchers at china's wuhan institute of virology felt ill that they hadthe origin of the coronavirus, particularly because the u.s. intelligence committee were told does not know if these researchers actually had covid-19. earlier this year, secretary of state mike pompeo, the former secretary of state put out a fact sheet of declassified u.s. intelligence and it did say wuhan institute of virology fallen sick with covid-19 symptoms. with are taking a step back here, director intelligence avril payne told us that the community did not know how and when the virus was transmitted. this is an interesting data point but understanding how it falls in the fuller picture is something the intelligence community is still looking into. >> a data point in a big mystery from a pandemic that killed so many. kylie atwood. i want to bring in dr. cecel celine gounder and also with me josh rogan, he writes about foreign policy and national security for "the washington post." you have noted that there is no credible information onto how the virus got into the world. does t

or one _ to the wuhan institute of virology or one of — to the wuhan institute of virologynistration officials that are open _ administration officials that are open to— administration officials that are open to the lab hypothesis because they think— open to the lab hypothesis because they think it explains a lot of the secrecy— they think it explains a lot of the secrecy and refusal to hand over information or lab records or test results _ information or lab records or test results of— information or lab records or test results of lab technicians on the part of— results of lab technicians on the part of the — results of lab technicians on the part of the chinese. they are basically— part of the chinese. they are basically frustrated by the investigation. officials in washington are asking why is that so? if— washington are asking why is that so? if it _ washington are asking why is that so? if it simply arose in the natural— so? if it simply arose in the natural world wild with the chinese be blocking the investigation? you are a national— be blocking the investigation? gm

wuhan. our third trip down since the outbreak. that is january 20th of this year. we drove past the wuhan institute of virology. it is heavily fortified. there is a lot of security there. that may be in part because it is a biosafety lab of a certain degree. but also it could be because they simply don't want people to get close enough to know what exactly is going on there. that's been something that has been made very clear to those of us that are journalists here and as you mentioned, poppy and jim, those who are investigators from the science perspective. >> thank you. >> joining me is james clapper. director, thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thanks, jim, for having me. >> as you know, far better than me, intelligence is rarely the full picture. it's an indicator here. how confident should we be in the u.s. intelligence here. does it change your view, at least potentially or open your mind to a different story for the origin of this virus? >> first, jim, i'm obliged to say it's leaking intelligence reports is not good, not to mention the fact that it's unlawful. so as a professional intelligenc

symptoms that were consistent for coronavirus, we also know that they shut roads down of the wuhan institute of virologyt there wasabo scell phone activity, a lot of strange stuff was happening around the time that this virus would've broke out. i figure a lot of circumstantial evidence that it came from the slab and were gonna find out that's what happened and were gonna find out dr. fauci andnd e national institute of health provided some of the funds for this to happen. liz: theo other thing we have in 2015 the u.s. scientist working with chinese scientist with a lab may coronavirus sars covid to virus so they were working on this to develop vaccines, dr. fauci in 2011 co-authored washington post op-ed saying let's generate a virus in a laboratory that does not exist in nature for the purpose of creating vaccines, that seems a noble intent, the issue is wise for me not to china which has serious safety violations import safety protocols let's listen to senator tom cotton on the subject.wa watch this. >> the money that the nih gave went to an american a organizatn which gave hundreds of thousands of d

and nihaid categorially has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the wuhan institute of virology catch that contradiction inside of that. that was dr. fauci heatedly denying that the nih and the niad funded supervirus frankenstein research in the wuhan lab but dr. fauci admits he doesn't have an accounting what china is doing and the funding it gets but what he is not saying that the nih did lift a ban, allowed gain of function research four years ago. also dr. fauci backed and supported creating superviruses in laboratories, dangerous superviruses, he said that in a "washington post" op-ed 10 years ago. bring back gop strategist ford o'connell. your reaction to what dr. fauci is leaving out here? >> well i think he is being extremely defensive and he is playing word games. i think this exchange with rand paul. since the outset dr. fauci has not been straightforward with the american people or congress about the origins of covid, the research went into it and the possibility that the u.s. might have funded that research. >> okay. we hear what you're saying, ford. dr. fauci, when

but again, we have not funded gain of function research on this virus in the wuhan institute of virology. >> you're parsing words. >> you say it. >> there is research done with dr. xi and dr. barrick. they xcollaborated on gain of function research where they enhance the sars virus affect human airway cells and put a in you spike of preteen on it. that is gain of function. that is joint research between the wuhan institute and dr. barrick. can you not deny it. >> senator, your time expired. we need to move on. okay. >> hello, everyone. we're going to jump out of that. you've been listening to the senate hearing with the covid-19 response team. let me just start off really quickly if we can bring in our doctor. doctor, i'm sorry, it is unclear i think to everyone who is watching what tangent just happened with rand paul and what he -- and dr. fauci. tell me what just transpired. this is a covid-19 pandemic. i likes to spar with dr. fauci at these senate hearings and always brings up a weird herd immunity and this kind of thing. the evidence that covid-19 originated from the wuhan lab is v

saw throughout the entire time suggested that this originated in the laboratory, at the wuhan institute of virology of evidence that suggest to the contrary. the evidence continues to accumulate despite the fact that the communist would not allow anybody to have access to the laboratory, the original materials, the doctors that were working there, the list of the cover-up efforts is staggering and the combination of the circumstantial evidence that we have combined with the intense effort to deny us information about that lab suggest to me strongly that this is where it originated. maria, as devin said, the risk that something like this happens from that laboratory or another chinese laboratory is very real. they are operating and conducting activities that are inconsistent with the capacities to secure the facilities and the risk of bio-weapons and bioterror is emanating and real. maria: unbelievable. all the way when you were a congressman from kansas, before you were the secretary of state. real quick, one of the -- i want to move on, we have a lot to talk to you about. we discussed the story la

community to find something about the origins of the virus has refocused attention here, on the wuhan institute of virology. it's the absence of proof of any scenario that might explain the pandemic. >> i believe we do need the kind of investigation where there's open transparency. >> reporter: from the outset, wuhan has china's only super laboratory t world's most deadly pathogens to include the coronavirus. >> reporter: the trump administration -- >> we have people looking at it very strongly. >> reporter: though must have of the scientific community dismissed it. but expers questioned the world health organization. in a joint letter in the journal "science" leading experts called for a broader investigation, say nothing possibility should be ruled out until we have sufficient data. nbc news was granted the only independent media access to the wuhan lab in2020. the lab drok fors denied any leaks. has anyone at the lab either personnel or connected to the lab, tested positive for this virus? >> no. >> nobody? >> nobody. >> reporter: but a newly revealed u.s. intelligence report confirmed by nbc news, clai

is we did send about $3.7 million in grants to ecohealth alliance, $600,000 went to the wuhan institute of virologystudies there. is that true? >> that is correct. >> do we know whether the wuhan institute of virology does gain of function research? >> they were not approved by n.i.h. for doing gain of function research. we're not aware of other sources of funds or other activities they might have undertaken outside of what our approved grant allowed. >> harris: so u.s. dollars not involved in any gain of function and other nations since 2014, i believe. it wasn't our money but it could have been somebody's. >> that's the problem. i used to work in the nonprofit world. somebody would give you money for specific programs. okay, that person never paid for the other program but guess what did, all the money they saved us from spending on the program they did donate to got moved to the program they didn't donate to. they facilitated spending money on a different program. when you earmark money, the government does it all the time and it is probably what happened there. well, that is potentially what ha

funding have in some ways through grants or otherwise ended up in the wuhan institute of virology and been used for something like gain of function even if we did not specifically approve it for that purpose? >> you know, we give a grant with certain criteria of what the work is to be for. we assume that our grantees are going to pay attention to that they write us progress reports to tell us about that. we can't absolutely prevent somebody who has an intention of deceiving us about how they use the funds. but i can categorically tell you that nothing that we approved would have included this kind of gain of function research on sars cov 2. >> shannon: doctor collins, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> i appreciate the chance to clarify because i am concerned this has gotten a lot more momentum than it deserves. >> shannon: thank you, dr. collins. israeli has moved forces to the gaza border as it prepares with potential ground incursion with hamas. trey yingst joins us live from the gaza-israel border as the violence threatens to escalate into a full-blown war. good evening

but again, we have not funded gain of function research on this virus in the wuhan institute of virologyaudible] >> there was research. kennedy: fell she says it did not happen. period here's the thing institute of health does not deny giving money. what would paren the chinese from taking that money for one thing and then using it for something completely different. absolutely nothing because they lie about everything. let's make tonight's party pound discuss all the townhall.com political editor fox news contributor katie pavlich is there director of the cato institute center for constitutional studies, ilya shapiro. and we've got the host of the no bk show former sarah get, nomiki konst's back on the panel welcome everyone good to see you all. >> a kennedy get it with you. let's discuss this a little bit. the nih did give the money to the wuhan institute of virology. that happens, we have no idea what happened with the research from the bat lady. her records are sealed and obviously china has been less than helpful, helping us and other governments gives the the bottom of where this c

taxpayer dollars into the wuhan institute of virology. w, remember, at the outset of this pandemic, daszak was very vocal about how the lab leak theory was, quote, total bologna. and, guess what? despite all the new evidence to the contrary today, today is also the day where daszak is still crying conspiracy. this is his quote: it's a good conspiracy theory. foreigners designing a vice in mysterious lab in nefarious activity and cloak of secrecy around china. to say attack scientists is not only shooting the messenger but shooting the people conduit where the next could happen. look, accusations like conspiracy theories, words like disinformation and misinformation these aren't words that are meant to guide you as to how much trust you should place in the story. these are weapons used to destroy opposition and you already know that when it comes to debate, disagreement or even election outcomes we saw hawnd tore misinformation and totally obliterated off of tech platforms. easy to understand why that was con. it was done to protect the des

the head of the predict program in china was the wuhan institute of virology. right? know some stuff about what the wuhan institute of virology was up to. they've never really been asked. you know, sanjay gupta broke huge news months ago that robert redfield, the former head of the cdc, who has seen all the intelligence, believes it came from a lab based on his expert opinion. but the biden people never talked to him. he's never -- you know, why don't you have a hearing? let's put this guy in front of a bible and a congressional committee. see what he has to say. there's -- it's just crazy to me that there is all of these people and institutions with all of this information. that have never been asked because we went through this sort of politicization of the origin question that we are now trying to unravel. we're trying to take the politics out of it and focus on not just the science but the forensics, as sanjay has said, it's really important. so, yeah, there is a lot of things. this intelligence is just one piece of it. don't get too caught up on that. there is a

we drove we by the wuhan institute of virology.spite multiple requests, we were not granted access to enter. this was as close as we got. the w.h.o. scientist, however, were allowed in. their conclusion? that it's very likely the virus spread naturally, from animals. and that a lab leak was extremely unlikely. >> there is no evidence of that at all. but it is something that we talked about with people at the wuhan lab and got really honest and frank. and -- and good, informative answers to. >> reporter: but that's the issue with the w.h.o. investigation. according to some of the scientists who took part. it relied mostly on conversations with the chinese scientists, taking them at their word. some of the experts complained china has blocked them from crucial data and those like peter dasich have been criticized for their personal ties to the wuhan lab having helped fund and take part in research in the facility before the outbreak. virologist, marian coatmans was among the w.h.o. team in wuhan in january. she is careful to characte

. >> more experts are raising questions about the wuhan institute of virology and whether work being done there may be the source of the pandemic. daniel lucy, a professor of infectious diseases at georgetown has served in china on the frontlines of every pandemic since sars in 2003 as well as ebola in africa in 2014. he flew to hong kong at the start of the pandemic but was too late. china had already closed access to wuhan. he wrote in a recent scientific abstract about a chinese report from a year and a half ago that suggests the outbreak began earlier than the official timeline given to the w.h.o. by beijing. he says the first cluster of cases may go back to october of 2019. >> the w.h.o. team really wasn't authorized or empowered or part of the terms of reference to do a proper investigation of the lab origin hypothesis. i think that should be done now. >> josephine the editor of the south morning china post wrote in march 2020 that the internal chinese government report referenced by dr. lucy says 266 people had what was thought to be covid-19 infection between november 17th and