through a lab accident, a lab leak, as you say, because when it emerged so close to the wuhan institute of virologyry, the highest level of experiments with dangerous viruses to humans, and also because we haven't had a full audit in transparency from the chinese government, norfound, say, an intermediary animal host that would explain the virus's spillover. questions have also been raised about what exactly type of research was going on at the wuhan institute of virology, which had received some funding from the us. there've been claims scientist may have been carrying out controversial so—called gain of function studies where viruses are manipulated and potentially made more contagious. yes, i believe those experiments were going on, because that's what we found out and try to understand viruses. china has called these claims, calling them pure lies. the spill—over is probably more likely but there is a significant possibility nonetheless that the lab was involved in some way, shape orform. the international scientists on the joint who mission said they did ask their chinese counterparts whether

one thing that we have discovered is that american taxpayer dollars have gone to the wuhan institute of virologyecho health alliance. they have yet to answer to our inquiries on what was being funded at the wuhan institute of viewer ol. >> i. virology, they are required by law to publicly disclose that information, yet they have not done so, there are a lot of questions. it would take the whole hour to go over the efforts we had to discover the origins of covid-19, those involved, it needs to be brought to the forefront, and we need this administration to really push the issue, with xi jinping as well. we need answers, let's get them. trey: two final questions. what leverage points do we have with china? if you are sitting across from president xi jinping what would you press him on? how can we follow the status of your idea of this 9/11 commission? >> i think there is a lot of what we call our soft power leverage points. largely focusing on trade and technology. those are some leverage areas that we can use with china. but certainly we're not in this alone. that is what we have to remember, not

moment ago that is completely incorrect where you say we continue to support research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> you approved it in august of last year. >> no, your statement says quote, i wrote it down as you were writing. you continue to support research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> in your committee a month ago you said you support the research. >> i have allowed dr. fauci to respond. >> if he is going to be dishonest he ought to be challenged. >> dr. fauci. >> i don't have any more to say that as usual -- i have a great deal of respect for this body of the senate and makes me very uncomfortable to have to saying something but he is very incorrect in what he says. >> history will figure that out. >> we'll turn to senator has inn. >> harris: we new it would be heated. one of the topics on the bill in the senate hearing with dr. fauci and dr. walensky with the cdc was the vaccine mandate and pushing against that from a republican perspective and what the president is trying to do. where senator rand paul of the great state of kentucky started with dr. fauci was again the origin of

the other is the wuhan institute of virology, which is known to have been studying coronaviruses in batsdecade. it's thought possible that the virus could have leaked from there. now, a leading expert in tracing the start of the pandemic says he thinks he knows of the first known person to have contracted the virus. dr michael worobey who heads the ecology and evolutionary biology department at the university of arizona explained to me that he's found what he believes is the first known case of the virus, but that he believes there were earlier cases yet to be discovered. there were probably patients even earlier than her because only about 7% of people who get the virus end up in the hospital and she was one of those. ok, so we'll get to that. but let's just work out what you did. so, how did you work that out? well, i had known about a discrepancy between the who reports december 8 on this individual and a scientific paper that suggested his symptoms began on december 16, and i pointed that out in my article, which then went out to anonymous peer reviewers and one of the peer reviewers

the other is the wuhan institute of virology, which is known to have been studying coronaviruses in batsn about a discrepancy between the who reports december 8 on this individual and a scientific paper that suggested his symptoms began on december 16, and i pointed that out in my article, which then went out to anonymous peer reviewers and one of the peer reviewers was obviously someone who spoke and read chinese and passed along this video that actually showed medical and dental records from this individual which showed that on december 8, what he actually had was a dental issue with retained baby teeth that needed to be pulled, and in his own voice, he says in the video that his covid symptoms began with a fever and tightness in his chest on december 16. so, that's how you found the accountant wasn't the first known case, and that was just publicly known information that you found it through? yeah, it was out there butjust had not been — the dots had not been connected. the person that you are saying, mrs y, is the first known case was actually backed up by the who report as well, is

might have played creating the virus knowing the legality is something like a lab like the wuhan institute of virologym. >> a lot of people have issues with him and the end of the biden presidency being related to covid, we found virginia what happens when parents are upset their kids couldn't practice or when science shows low level of transmission amongst children learning about masking in terms of iqs for a kid can't take facial cues from folks wearing masks and etc. so this is obviously a midterms issue, 2024 issue but it's our everyday issue. ryan paying attention to is the head of the south african medical board whatever the technical term as an seen bible symptoms in people falling ill and there is no reason to panic about this. kennedy: don't panic, it's organic. i've got to move on. i appreciate that very much. so what happens now? people no longer believe representatives of the federal government when they tell them everything in the life or death issue and we have to panic about everything, they don't believe them anymore, is that problematic? >> it's a combination of chicken middle and jus

but nothing connected these baths to the wuhan institute of virology until now. based on u.s. freedom of information act, viral samples from the bats collected and sent to the wuhan lab to study right up until a few mom for the pandemic a direct link between the two. >> if we can find a close relative of sars-cov-2 being taken to wuhan and/or manipulated in the lab and we've got that, then we will be closer to understanding what happen appearance but with the chinese government has refused access to caves which coronavirus samples were collected, but if the source leads to neighboring levels, it opens the door to best gators finally gaining access, which could be a breakthrough. the state department will not mention the lab theory but still looking at the origins. >> this is about preparing the world and ensuring the world's most prepared for, most resilient against a potential future pandemic. speak with the new reports comes on the heels of president biden with meeting with president xi pain and no discussion about chinese refusal to cooperate. the lack of interest confusing

the other is the wuhan institute of virology, which is known to have been studying coronaviruses in bats possible that the virus could have leaked from there. now a leading expert in tracing the start of the pandemic says he thinks he knows of the first known person to have contracted the virus. that expert is dr michael worobey, who heads the ecology and evolutionary biology department at the university of arizona and joins me now. thank you forjoining us. a second pair of eyes is always useful. in looking at the world health organization report you have found what is a crucial fact they have wrong and that, if i am correct, is that mr chan, the accountant who was the first known case, was not in fact showing symptoms under the eighth of december by the 16th of december which means mrs white, a seafood vendor was in fact patient zero. is that what you have found? i would not say cheese _ what you have found? i would not say cheese patient - what you have found? i would not say cheese patient zero, i not say cheese patient zero, she is the first known patient. 0nly she is the first known

and worked to cover up the reality that this had in almost all likelihood come out of the wuhan institute of virologytion research played a role and that the u.s. had played a role even if you take his word that we didn't intend to. we needed to know these facts. and he worked so hard to keep us from knowing this information. i think loss of job is the very least that should happen to him. >> rachel: absolutely. >> rachel, if i could. january 30th, 2020, so over a year and a half ago, he gets an email, dr. fauci gets an email from dr. christian anderson, virus looks engineered. virus not consistent with evolutionary theory. that is a fancy way of saying this thing came from a lab. he was on notice from the get go. and for a year, mollie is exactly right. for a year he mislead not a few people in the white house but the entire country for aer year. i would like to him on the witness and dr. peter daszak on the witness stand to get to the truth. >> rachel: that's what should happen. he mislead the world. thank you molly and congressman jordan. up next, democrats have some explaining to do. how is this

. >> a cave thousand of miles from wuhan bats bats 90% genetically for the virus killing millions of people. nothing connected these bats to the wuhan instituted of virologymples from those bats were being collected and sent to the wuhan lab to study right up until a few months before the pandemic began a direct link between the two. >> if we can find a very close relative of sars cov 2 being taken to wuhan, and/or manipulated in the lab when it got there, then we will be closer to understanding what happened. >> the chinese government has refused access to caves from which other coronavirus samples were collected. but if the source actually leads to neighboring loos. it opens the door for western investigators to finally gain access which could be a break through. the state department won't mention the lab leak theory but says they are still looking at the origin. >> this is about preparing the world, ensuring that the world is most prepared for, most resilient against a potential future pandemic. >> these new reports come on the heels of president biden's meeting with his chinese court part xi jinping yield nod discussion about cooperate and share data.

and there was a request to produce documents that show the nih in the wuhan institute of virology fundedearch on coronavirus and how to make them more transmissible and more deadly. that's the definition of gain-of-function research. there is a big question about dr. fauci at the end of the day. it's not funny, we want to know how this started, where it started and it seems like he's playing a game with us, it's like a tap dance that he does to get around the facts. i agree with tyrus on this, why this guy still has a job, how can you be wrong on so much very clearly the political and not presenting people with facts and science anymore and still get to keep your job, it does beg the question. raymond: especially when it appears the american taxpayer funded the creation of this virus and now spending trillions to put it down. somebody's making a lot of money here, all of this has to be probed by congress and should be. there is another study i want to reaction, brown university has a new study. 23% decline in children cognitive abilities due to masking and covid majors over the last coup

moment ago that's completely incorrect when you say we continue to support research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> you proved it in august of last year. >> no, no. your statement says, quote, i wrote it down as you were writing, you continue to support research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> you were at the committee a month ago, you still trust the chinese scientists. you said it a month ago. >> senator paul, i have allowed dr. fauci to respond. you've had your time. >> his dishonesty ought to be challenged. >> senator paul, we will allow dr. fauci to respond after you've given accusations like that. dr. fauci. >> i don't have any more to say, i have a great deal of respect for this body of the senate and it makes me very uncomfortable to have to say something, but he is egregiously incorrect in what he says. thank you. >> history will figure that out on its own. >> we will turn to senator hassan. thank you. >> thank you, madam chairman and ranking member burr. i want to thank the witnesses for being here today. assistant secretary o'connell, i sent a letter to secretary becerra about

that "the nih has not ever and does not now found the gain-of-function research in the wuhan institute of virology. that is a clear categorical statement. but then on october 20th, the nih wrote that they funded an experiment at the wuhan lab testing "if spiked proteins from naturally occurring bat coronavirus is circulating inn china were capable of binding to the human a.c.e. to separator ii a mouse model. that is gain-of-function research. that is taking an existing virus and modifying it to make it more dangerous to humans. and listen, at the end of the day, 18 makes it a felony punishable by up to five years in prison for lying to congress. the statement from dr. fauci and the nih are directly contradictory. i think margaret brennan is a talented journalist, but she dropped the ball in not following up and letting him just respond with insult instead of asking the simple question. you stated that we don't fund gain-of-function research,h, the ni stated that we do fund gain-of-function research bear they can't both be true. and if you like to congress, it's a felony. she didn't press him on th

moment ago that is completely incorrect.when you say we continue to support research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> you approved it in august of last year. >> your statement says quote, i wrote down as you are writing it. you continued to support research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> you still support the research over there. you said a month ago. >> i have a lot of doctor fauci to respond. >> he's being the dishonest reach out. >> we will allow doctor fauci to respond after you've given accusations like that. >> i don't have anything more to say except to say as usual and i have a great deal of respect for this body of the senate and it makes me uncomfortable to have to say something buthe is a grievously incorrect hein what he says . iq. >> history will figure that out. >> we will turn to center hassling. >> thank you ma'am chair and ranking member. i want to thank the witnesses for being here today. and for your work i want to start with a question to assistant secretary o'connell. last month i sent a letter to health and human services secretary o'connell highlighting the difficul

we're darn sure it came out of the wuhan institute of virology. >> bret: general kellogg. thanks, bret. >> bret: happy thanksgiving. up next the push to end bail and close prisons slams up against the wisconsin parade tragedy involving a habitual offender out on bail. we will have a live report and discuss with the panel. ♪ >> news that the suspect in sunday's failings incident at wisconsin christmas parade habitual offender out on bail progressives on capitol hill toward eliminating bail and closing federal prisons. correspondent gillian turner has that story tonight. good evening, gillian. >> good evening, bret. a group of house democrats advocating new criminal justice reforms measures a push to close all federal prisons within a decade. move comes less than 348 hours after police took darrell brooks jr. into custody on sunday. this after he mowed down parade goers and is killed 6 people. said president biden is not interested in reform. >> the president does not support abolishing prisons. he does not support defunding the police. he thinks measures like that will make

wuhan lab of virology as far back as 2016. cheryl casone now with the details. cheryl: that is right, maria. good morning a new explosive report is alleging that officials at the national institute restrictions on covid-19 research. nih helps fund eco health and research at the wuhan institute of virology, in the 2016 report the nonprofit reportedly detailed a plan to conduct experiments on coronaviruses. here's what senator rand paul told you, maria, on sunday morning futures. >> realize, they won't tell us if they're still funding wee hand. we learned that through freedom of information act and the intercept got the e-mails and got the information. they have not been forth coming. what we understand is there's a research project still with eco health alliance that goes to 2025 with wuhan. we're still funding the lab in wuhan. cheryl: nih officials allowed the the group to police its own research which is now raising oversight questions, just as dro testify to the senate. that is today. well, the pentagon raising alarms over china's new clear capability. according to the annual report to congress, china is rapidly accelerating its nuclear stockpile and will quadruple its warhea

did it come out of the wuhan institute of virology, was it gain of function research? neil: they're not going to help us with that, right, general? they're not going to bother helping us with that, right? >> neil, i don't think they are. i think they're trying to avoid it and walk away from it and i think it is very, very important but the second issue out there is taiwan. it is very clear that the chinese are sending a signal. the signal was the overhead photography which picked up which showed some of our carriers as targets in the middle of the desert. sending us a message don't send carrier battle groups into the pacific because we can arm them. we're not sending any messages back. with donald trump he would tweet something out. you would get a message back. we're receiving messages and not sending a hard message back to the chinese. oh, by the way we're not sending one back to the russians either when they're mobilizing troops around the ukraine region. those are interesting discussion. those are issues i would bring up. i just don't think president biden will rea

from what he understood, there was no gain of function research in the wuhan to due to virology -- institute of virology funded by nih. in terms of we the people, the declaration of independence does say that. our constitution -- the federal government has no authority to mandate a vaccine. it is basically at a city and state level. president biden's orders are based upon the federal workforce and contractors. and the occupational health & safety act. all of these things were actually part of the democratic process. nobody is suggesting an autocratic or extralegal form of vaccination mandate. mandates have to be lawful and thus far the courts have upheld them almost uniformly. host: about 10 minutes left with professor lawrence gostin this morning. dr. anthony fauci will be on capitol hill this week testifying before the senate health committee. that we are airing on c-span3 at 10:00 a.m. eastern thursday. today in about 10 minutes, the supreme court will hear two oral arguments on the texas abortion law, the first challenge brought by a group of health providers, the second by the justice d

the wuhan institute of virology seems to be where it was created, metastasized and possibly loosed ones he keep peddling it? what's the reason? >> it's a great question. i mean, i think we would all like to know that. to see the reporter's response there, she was even shocked, like what are you talking about. we all have pretty much discredited as you guys just said the idea that it came from a wet market. i want to say this. the wet markets are absolutely despicable places. had should be shut down. a lot of disease does come from them. imagine your family cat or dog crammed in cages and being tortured because they believe it makes the meat taste better before they're slaughtered. it's disgusting. that said, why didn't president biden push president xi on the origins of covid-19 in his recent virtual meeting? why aren't they trying to find the cause of this virus? look, none of us ever want to have to go through what we've been through over the past year and-a-half in america and around the world. this has been terrible and we should know the origins so we can prevent it from happenin

government taxpayer funding grants went to gain of function research in cooperation with th wuhan institute of virology intelligence community and that is, quite frankly, unacceptable. we need to do better. this pandemic has completely up ended our lives and we need to get the bottom of it if for no other reason that that is our best chance to prevent a future pandemic from similarly disrupting our entire lives. >> dana: maybe zoom out in terms of the big picture here. it seems to me that china, they seem quite aware of their mission in the world and where they want to go. they obviously don't have a system like ours where everybod has a say and they are fully focused on the competition with the united states. do you believe that the administration has the same sor of focus when it comes to china? >> no, i don't. i believe that while they have prioritize china as the biggest challenge we face, increasingly it seems to me that that john kerry wing of the administration , which believes in contrast, that climate chang is the biggest threat we face, is gaining ground over more realistic voices in the admi

the senator accusing the doctor of falsie denying the gain of function research at the wuhan institute of virologye simply saying it doesn't exist because you changed the definition on the nih website. this is terrible and you're completely trying to escape the idea that we should do something about trying to prevent a pandemic from leaking from a lab and what you've done is changed the definition on your website to try to cover your ass. maria. cheryl: well, the two sparred last summer over the same issue. rand paul calling for fauci to resign. well, uber reporting a net loss of $2.4 billion for the third quarter. this was mostly driven by a drop in value of the holding in chinese right service didi, revenue is up 71% from last year and the company saying consumers and drivers rushed to platform in greater numbers last quarter. uber slightly down this morning. air b and b profits are soaring, profits rose 280%. the surge coming as the economy continues to recover from the effects of covid-19 and we have seen big increase in travel. more than 79.7 million nights and experiences were booked in a qu

fauci said the nih has not ever and does not now fund gain of function at the wuhan institute of virology. on october 20th, the nih principal deputy director in writing directly contradicted it. those two statements cannot be true. as you know, section 1001 of title 18 makes it a federal crime to knowingly make false statements to congress. is the department of justice investigating dr. fauci for lying to congress? >> i'm going to say, again, the memorandum that i issued is not partisan in any way. it has nothing to do with what i agree with or i don't agree with. i don't care whether the threats of violence come from the left or the right. >> could you answer the question i asked? >> we don't comment on criminal investigations or other investigations -- >> amazingly, when it's the political enemies of the administration, you comment loudly in a memo. let me ask one other question -- >> president biden recently said in a national town hall that police officers who declined to get vaccinated should be fired. do you agree with president biden on that? >> i think all police officers -- look,

and what's happened at the wuhan institute of virology, there is a debate out there.er it's not clear what happened. the thing i remember at the taii end of our conversation, because thehe merits of the case either way senator paul makes it one way. you make it the other way. eco health comes into play what happened there. transparence it is. you were on record as saying you like it. you love it. you believe in it. i pressed you that day, well, on something i'll get to in a moment. but what about releasing all the information that you do have under your control? because i think as long as the american public can't see it, with all the mystery surrounding what happened in terms of its origin, and i think then you said well, maybe you could suggest it to president biden on declassifying information when it comes to the subject i'm going to geta to in a moment, willmo you agree, liking transparency to get allcy of th information out therere as it relates to the originre so we c all see it? >> right. >> here in the senate, across the country? >> thank you for that question, senator.sena i

fauci said, the nih has never and does not now, fun to gain a function research in the wuhan institute of virology. that was under oath. on october 20th, the nih principal deputy director, in writing directly contradicted him. those two statements cannot be true. ot beas you know, section 1000,f 1:18, makes it a crime to knowingly make statements that are false. will you appoint a special prosecutor? >> the memorandum that i issued is not partisan in any way. it has nothing to do with what i agree with or don't agree with. i don't care whether the threats of violence come from the left or the right. >> could you answer the question? >> we don't comment on criminal investigations or other -- >> them amazingly, when it's a political administration, you comment loudly in a memo -- >> i did not -- >> president biden recently said in a town hall that officers who declined to get vaccinated should be fired. do you agree with president biden on this? >> i think that all police officers -- i stood on the stage at the mall, with a 700 and something police officers that died this -- year >> let me try again

from what he understood, there was no gain of function research in the wuhan to due to virology -- instituteunded by nih. in terms of we the people, the declaration of independence does say that. our constitution -- the federal government has no authority to mandate a vaccine. it is basically at a city and state level. president biden's orders are based upon the federal workforce and contractors. and the occupational health & safety act. all of these things were actually part of the democratic process. nobody is suggesting an autocratic or extralegal form of vaccination mandate. mandates have to be lawful and thus far the courts have upheld them almost uniformly. host: about 10 minutes left with professor lawrence gostin this morning. dr. anthony fauci will be on capitol hill this week testifying before the senate health committee. that we are airing on c-span3 at 10:00 a.m. eastern thursday. today in about 10 minutes, the supreme court will hear two oral arguments on the texas abortion law, the first challenge brought by a group of health providers, the second by the justice department. tha