so i love that jacob is trying to claim that meat is plant based and gareth wyn jones, who we see onid it's hypocritical given the number of people who are national trust land. so raise, raise, raise animals of course. >> yeah. so this is the latest in national trust wokery accusations because last year, candace, the charity faced backlash for replacing the term ethnic minority with global majority. and they've also had projects where they highlighted their properties, links to slavery and things like that . slavery and things like that. and actually, a couple of days ago, a new story came out saying that membership of the national trust had declined, with numbers dropping by 89,000 to 2.6 million in the year to i think it was june. and people are blaming their so—called woke agenda. >> it's the same. i mean, we discussed it briefly with football. it just feels like every area of life is being politicised and the national trust is people don't want that. they really don't want that. i mean, the thing is, with veganism, only a very small proportion of people are vegan. so, i mean, thi