[laughter] and nixon says, pat, have you met wynn rockefeller? this was winthrop rockefeller, the brother of nelson and david rockef

[laughter] and nixon says, pat, have you met wynn rockefeller? winthrop rockefeller, the brother of nelson and david rockefeller, but he was a great war hero. he was the youngest of the brothers. he'd been involved in some scandal, bobo rockefeller in the '50s i'd billion reading about. but a great fellow. and that was my first introduction to the rockefellers in that campaign. and the second was, and you may know the name pat hillings who was a congress man out here. and hillings traveled with us. we got to oregon during this campaign, and hillings comes up to me and, of course, i was a goldwater man, and my views of nelson rockefeller just -- it's hard to describe how harsh they were. [laughter] so hillings says, hey, pat, the old man's going to endorse rockefeller. i said, what? so i took off down the hall. i get to nixon's suite, i open the door and go in. he's not there, so i hear something, i go over and open the door to the bathroom. he's about to get into the shower. and i said you're not going to endorse that blank are you? and he said,

[laughter] and nixon says, pat, have you met wynn rockefeller? this was winthrop rockefeller, the brother of nelson and david rockefeller, but he was a great war hero. he was the youngest of the brothers. he'd been involved in some scandal, bobo rockefeller in the '50s i'd been reading about, but a great fellow. and that was my first introduction to the rockefellers in that campaign. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. .. >> mary frances berry, in your book, long memories, the black experience in america, you write most black americans always been more american than white americans. >> guest: sort of like being more catholic than the pope, be leaving more in the values and principles that are laid out in the declaration of independence and the preamble to the constitution and which are part of the american ethos. and believing fundamentally, using those principles as a way to ask for the progress on equality for them. that is what i mean. >> host: what is the proof? >> guest: every time there's a protest movement organi