y or z. from which multiple treaties they've pulled out of, to cyber security. anybody you've talked to in intelligence work or counter terrorism work over the past two decades will tell you, we have never effectively cooperated with the russian security sources on islamic terrorism, because they don't give us what we need. they're not interested in al qaeda or isis. you can talk to bob bear about that, anyone else who comes on cnn. >> ellis, we have your mike hopefully worked out this time. do you believe it's clear where donald trump is coming from. he tweeted this morning, saying in his conversation with vladimir putin he vehemently denied it, i've already given my opinion. he makes it clear. is it imperative that the president find another means in which to make it clear? where is he on the russian meddling, what he said to putin, and what the conclusion was if there are more sanctions or penalties or something later? >> i don't think the president wants to. i think he's made it very clear what he thinks, he doesn't believe it, he believes putin more than he