another person who's like christine who i profiled pretty extensively in the book is a woman named yadira sanchez and one thing have to know about your idea is she's now been at the centers for medicare and services, which is known as cms, part of our health and human services agency for i think, 25 years. it's the only job she's ever had is her first job. so she's not somebody who's like a white knight. the tech industry, she's this is she's not some political appointee out of political get another job. she's she's in the thick of it. she's and you know the thing that she just cares so deeply about the agency's mission she understands critical it is that we improve health care in this country and medicare and medicaid are big big drivers of that you get that right. the whole rest of the industry follows in a certain way. so she's in it project manager there for many years already doing a better job than i her peers in the sense that she wanted to outside of the lines things like user research where we were talking about earlier wasn't required i mean really never talked about but she would do it